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Ten Commandments Keep them or break them?

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DHK

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The argument that "The Commandments of God do not include the Ten Commandments" is not accepted by D.L. Moody or the Baptist Confession of Faith. As we all know - God's Word does not accept that statement DHK.

[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
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By copying and pasting your entire post all over again is just a waste of space. It has already been refuted--references to Moody, confessions, etc.

You above statement doesn't make much sense either, unless you want to be known as the one who doesn't care about the study of Scripture.
I have pointed out to you before, that the phrase "the commandments of God" is not equivalent to the "Ten Commandments." Context is key. If you don't have the context in which the word or phrase is used you have nothing. The two phrases may or may not be the same, depending on the context. They probably are not. But you wouldn't bother with checking things out because you don't care about context only proof texts.
 

Yeshua1

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The argument that the saved are the ones that keep the Commandments of God "in real life" is what we affirm.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]does not subject itself to the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]is not even able to do so[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[/FONT]

Again, the saved obey God, for its our new natures to do such, and the Holy Spriit convicts us to foolow after God and obey him, but keeping the Sabbath is NOT what this is all about, or is it?
 

OldRegular

Well-Known Member
Bob Ryan and E-7 are on this forum for the purpose of causing trouble, pulling peoples chain by starting false threads, spouting false doctrine, and perverting the Gospel. They post the same Scripture repeatedly, with or without false interpretation. We would all do well to simply ignore their threads. Whether they are real or not I cannot say. I can say that Ryan is pushing a heretical doctrine and E-7 is pushing nonsense.
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
The argument that the saved are the ones that keep the Commandments of God "in real life" is what we affirm.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]does not subject itself to the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]is not even able to do so[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[/FONT]
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Again, the saved obey God, for its our new natures to do such, and the Holy Spriit convicts us to foolow after God and obey him,

Those who can grasp that idea rather than being at war with it - are at least headed in the right direction.

But the idea of trashing one of the commandments is not supported by D.L. Moody or C.H. Spurgeon or the "Baptist Confession of Faith" or James 2.

So then... just stating the obvious (though OldRegular seems to oppose it )

in Christ,

Bob
 

Yeshua1

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Site Supporter
Bob, do you keep the commandments of God--all the time?

great question, for if he says yes he has, then the Cross is of no use for him, if he says no, then he lost his salvation, oe else has never gotten it, by his theology!
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
The argument that the saved are the ones that keep the Commandments of God "in real life" is what we affirm.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]does not subject itself to the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]is not even able to do so[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[/FONT]
__________________



Those who can grasp that idea rather than being at war with it - are at least headed in the right direction.

But the idea of trashing one of the commandments is not supported by D.L. Moody or C.H. Spurgeon or the "Baptist Confession of Faith" or James 2.

When Catholics find that Protestants believe the 2nd commandment should be obeyed rather than ignored - then there are one or two Baptists here ready to help out the Catholics by arguing that until Protestants are sinless they cannot point out the issue with the 2nd commandment to Catholics - (as nonsensical as that "be sinless then admit to what the Bible says" tradition is).

I wonder if Catholics are aware of that hollow argument by one or two Baptists here on this board.

Would be interesting to find out.

There is a Christian Forum that has a Catholic discussion area - maybe they should be reading this thread.

in Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
By copying and pasting your entire post all over again is just a waste of space. It has already been refuted--references to Moody, confessions, etc.

It has never been refuted. Rather you "make stuff up" hoping that no one will read the actual posts, the actual threads from which that discussion comes - so that your false accusations will "appear" to have life.

And we both know it.

For example -- I never argued that Moody was not in favor of "Sunday as the Sabbath" -- in fact he strongly argued for it.

You "make stuff up" about Moody because you know you cannot tolerate a direct quote of him in places where he debunks your "downsized law of God" idea.


You above statement doesn't make much sense either, unless you want to be known as the one who doesn't care about the study of Scripture.
You deleted my quote of a number of Bible texts by your own admission and then invent the idea that my reference to texts you seek to ignore - are a sign that I "don't care about scripture"??? really??


I have pointed out to you before, that the phrase "the commandments of God" is not equivalent to the "Ten Commandments."
I have pointed out to you that the Bible says the Commandments of God do include the TEN Commandments - you simply ignore the Bible when it pleases your man-made-tradition to do so.



[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT]


in Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
[FONT=&quot]1 John 5
"Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and whoever loves the Father loves the child born of Him.
2By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and observe His commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments; and His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:1-3[/FONT]



1John 2
3 By this we know that we have come to know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4 The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him; 5 but whoever keeps His word, in him the love of God has truly been perfected. By this we know that we are in Him: 6 the one who says he abides in Him ought himself to walk in the same manner as He walked.


John 14:15
"If you love Me KEEP My Commandments"


Ex 20:6
"to them that LOVE Me and KEEP My Commandments"


1Cor 7:19 "what matters is KEEPING the Commandments of God"


As pointed out before - any Catholic can simply ignore the bible when it comes to the 2nd commandment and dream up some "any ol excuse will do" straw man. Even the Evangelicals can see this is something that has no validity - for getting around the Bible when it crosses the preference of man-made-tradition.


A point to which we get "dead silence" from those here at war against the TEN Commandments of God. (When they are not self-conflictedly arguing that NiNE of the TEN Commandments should be kept and all the fluff arguments do not apply to the nine)

But we cannot say that all evangelicals - or even all Baptists fail on that point...I don't think you will find any whining or complaining about these texts and these observance details in well known Sunday keeping source documents (Emphasis for DHK to note the detail so often skipped over each time I mention it) such as the "Baptist Confession of Faith" section 19 or the "Westminster Confession of Faith" Section 19 or in D.L. Moody's online sermon on the TEN Commandments - in his 4th Commandment section. Nor will you find the Seventh-day Baptists complaining about these texts - nor the Messianic Jewish groups I have personally visited, nor R.C Sproul.

No wonder D.L. Moody so directly addresses your "I down-sized Ten Commandments to Nine" idea in his sermon on the Ten commandments. No wonder you fear the mere quote of D.L. Moody's sermon so much.
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I also point out that even you admitted that James 2 claims that to break (declare war against) ONE of the Ten Commandments it to break (declare war against) them all.


Quote:
Originally Posted by DHK
The Scripture you use do not all reflect the Ten Commandments.


The argument that "The Commandments of God do not include the Ten Commandments" is not accepted by D.L. Moody or the Baptist Confession of Faith. As we all know - God's Word does not accept that statement that is just "made up" by DHK.



[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT]
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
When Catholics find that Protestants believe the 2nd commandment should be obeyed rather than ignored - then there are one or two Baptists here ready to help out the Catholics by arguing that until Protestants are sinless they cannot point out the issue with the 2nd commandment to Catholics - (as nonsensical as that "be sinless then admit to what the Bible says" tradition is).

I wonder if Catholics are aware of that hollow argument by one or two Baptists here on this board.

Would be interesting to find out.

There is a Christian Forum that has a Catholic discussion area - maybe they should be reading this thread.

in Christ,

Bob
This has nothing to do with the Catholics.
The thread is called:
Thread: Ten Commandments Keep them or break them?

Answer the question posed in the title of the thread:
The Ten Commandments: Are you able to keep them (all the time), or do you break them (from time to time)?
That is what you must answer. This has nothing to do with the RCC, J.W.'s, Mormons, etc. It has to do with you, who have made some extravagant claims on this thread.

Do you keep all the law all of the time?
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
I have pointed out to you that the Bible says the Commandments of God do include the TEN Commandments - you simply ignore the Bible when it pleases your man-made-tradition to do so.

[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT]


in Christ,

Bob
You don't know your Bible very well. The above references do not all refer to the Ten Commandments. You have been deceived by EGW.
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
That is the sort of compelling Bible based response I have come to expect from DHK when texts of scripture are presented that do not agree with man-made traditions.

Completely avoid the text and hope that nobody will notice?

or how about actually reading the texts?



[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT]
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
When Catholics find that Protestants believe the 2nd commandment should be obeyed rather than ignored - then there are one or two Baptists here ready to help out the Catholics by arguing that until Protestants are sinless they cannot point out the issue with the 2nd commandment to Catholics - (as nonsensical as that "be sinless then admit to what the Bible says" tradition is).

I wonder if Catholics are aware of that hollow argument by one or two Baptists here on this board.

Would be interesting to find out.

There is a Christian Forum that has a Catholic discussion area - maybe they should be reading this thread.

This has nothing to do with the Catholics.
The thread is called:
Thread: Ten Commandments Keep them or break them?

Turns out ... the 2nd commandment I pointed to above IS in the TEN Commandments.

In Romans 8:6-8 the saints are able to keep the Law of God but the lost are stuck claiming that the Law of God cannot be kept.


[FONT=&quot]Rom 8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For those who are according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]7 because [/FONT][FONT=&quot]the mind set on the flesh is hostile toward God;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]does not subject itself to the Law of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot], for it [/FONT][FONT=&quot]is not even able to do so[/FONT][FONT=&quot],[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 and those who are in the flesh cannot please God.[/FONT]


Again, the saved obey God, for its our new natures to do such, and the Holy Spriit convicts us to foolow after God and obey him,


in Christ,

Bob
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
This has nothing to do with the Catholics.
The thread is called:
Thread: Ten Commandments Keep them or break them?

Answer the question posed in the title of the thread:
The Ten Commandments: Are you able to keep them (all the time), or do you break them (from time to time)?
That is what you must answer. This has nothing to do with the RCC, J.W.'s, Mormons, etc. It has to do with you, who have made some extravagant claims on this thread.

Do you keep all the law all of the time?
It is almost embarrassing having to re-post one's own post.
This is the type of post that Bob will not answer.

Is there a reason you will not answer Bob?
This is the title of the thread: The Ten Commandments. Are you able to keep them? Are you? All the time?
The truth hurts doesn't it?
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
That is the sort of compelling Bible based response I have come to expect from DHK when texts of scripture are presented that do not agree with man-made traditions.

Completely avoid the text and hope that nobody will notice?

or how about actually reading the texts?



[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT]
The onus is on you.
You make a claim (a rather outlandish one).
You have given references along with some phrases.
You claim that those phrases all refer to the Ten Commandments.
Now quote each verse in context and demonstrate that each phrase refers to the Ten Commandments. Prove the truthfulness of your statement, or are you just a charlatan?
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
The onus is on you.
You make a claim (a rather outlandish one).
You have given references along with some phrases.
You claim that those phrases all refer to the Ten Commandments.
Now quote each verse in context and demonstrate that each phrase refers to the Ten Commandments. Prove the truthfulness of your statement, or are you just a charlatan?

Very well.

[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]

Nehemiah 10:29

28 Now the rest of the people—the priests, the Levites, the gatekeepers, the singers, the Nethinim, and all those who had separated themselves from the peoples of the lands to the Law of God, their wives, their sons, and their daughters, everyone who had knowledge and understanding— 29 these joined with their brethren, their nobles, and entered into a curse and an oath to walk in God’s Law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord, and His ordinances and His statutes: 30 We would not give our daughters as wives to the peoples of the land, nor take their daughters for our sons; 31 if the peoples of the land brought wares or any grain to sell on the Sabbath day, we would not buy it from them on the Sabbath, or on a holy day; and we would forego the seventh year’s produce and the exacting of every debt.



[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
[/FONT]

7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:
11 But ye say, If a man shall say to his father or mother, It is Corban, that is to say, a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; he shall be free.
12 And ye suffer him no more to do ought for his father or his mother;
13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.
[FONT=&quot]

James 2
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8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.


[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Eph 6
[/FONT]
2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),


Rom 13
9 For the commandments,
“You shall not commit adultery,”
“You shall not murder,”
“You shall not steal,”
“You shall not bear false witness,”
“You shall not covet,”

and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Lev 19:18)


Rom 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.



[FONT=&quot]Matt 5[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/FONT]


[FONT=&quot]1John 2:4-5 Commandments of Christ -- Word of Christ – Love of God[/FONT][FONT=&quot]
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.



I Jn 5:2-3
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.[/FONT]
 
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DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
Very well.

[FONT=&quot]10 Commandments are[/FONT][FONT=&quot] –[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Word of God” Mark 7:13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Scripture” James 2:8[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT “Law” – James 2:9-11[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]NT Commandments[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10[/FONT]



[FONT=&quot]“Commandments of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Law of God” Neh 10:29[/FONT]

Nehemiah 10:29

28 Now the rest of the people—an oath to walk in God’s Law, which was given by Moses the servant of God, and to observe and do all the commandments of the Lord our Lord,

31 if the peoples of the land brought wares or any grain to sell on the Sabbath day,
--God's Law obviously refers to the whole of God's Word, not just the Ten Commandments.
--"All the commandments of the Lord..." evidently refers to all the commandments that Moses received on the Mount, not just ten of them. It refers to the Pentateuch in general.
So I believe you are wrong here.
[FONT=&quot]
Word of God” Mark 7:13
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]“Commandment of God” Mark 7:6-13
[/FONT]
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition.
"The commandment of God" refers to only one of the Ten Commandments: "Honor thy father and mother." It is a specific context.
"Making the word of God..." refers to all the OT. Jesus does not refer to just the Ten Commandments here. He refers to all the OT.
For example he may very well referring to this verse:

Isaiah 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
--There is no reason to think that Christ could not have been referring to such Scripture. It too is "the Word of God" which is being made of none effect.
[FONT=&quot]
[/FONT]
8 If you really fulfill the royal law according to the Scripture, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself,” you do well; 9 but if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
10 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For He who said, “Do not commit adultery,” also said, “Do not murder.” Now if you do not commit adultery, but you do murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.

"The royal law" refers to the two greatest commandments, which Jesus said summarized all the law given by the prophets, the second of which is stated here: "Thou shalt love your neighbor as yourself."
It is not the Ten Commandments, per se.
--What is being contrasted in verse 11 (The Ten Commandments) or the Law is "the law of liberty" the opposite of the Ten Commandments or the Law, that is, the law of grace. Verse 12 "the law of liberty" has nothing whatsoever to do with the Ten Commandments but is contrasted to it.

James 2:12 So speak, and so do, as men who are to be judged by a law of freedom. (WEB)

Jamieson, Faucett, & Brown
judged by the law of liberty-- (Jas 1:25); that is, the Gospel law of love, which is not a law of external constraint, but of internal, free, instinctive inclination. The law of liberty, through God's mercy, frees us from the curse of the law, that henceforth we should be free to love and obey willingly.
The law of liberty is not the Ten Commandments. It is the Gospel.
[FONT=&quot]
NT Commandments
[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] Eph 6:2, Rom 13:9, Romans 7:7-10

Eph 6
[/FONT]
2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),
One of the Ten.
9 For the commandments,
“You shall not commit adultery,”
“You shall not murder,”
“You shall not steal,”
“You shall not bear false witness,”
“You shall not covet,”

and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Lev 19:18)
Wrong again. You fail in taking the entire passage in its context!

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Verse 8--Love is a fulfilling of the law--NOT keeping the Ten Commandments.
Verse 9--Loving your neighbor is a fulfilling of the law.
Verse 10--Therefore love is the fulfilling of the law (See John 13:34,35).
This is a NT teaching by Jesus who said "A new commandment I give unto you that you love one another..."
It is not specific to the OT.
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Surely you jest??
The law referred to in the first few verses of chapter seven go right back to Genesis 2:24. Paul uses the law of "marriage" as an example as a Christian has freedom in Christ.
Is the law sin? What law? He is not referring to the Ten Commandments. He is referring to an illustration and the laws referring to remarriage. Jesus said "and the two shall be one." "What God has joined together let no man put asunder." The law was that they could not remarry until their spouse was dead. That is not explained in the Ten Commandments, but begins in Genesis 2:24 and expounded upon in the Levitical ceremonial law.

You shall not covet.
It is one of the Ten.

The commandment is not necessarily the Ten Commandments. Study the chapter more carefully.
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16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.[/FONT]
The law refers to the Pentateuch. It always has.
There is the law, the prophets and the Psalms--the three divisions of the Hebrew OT.
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There is no mention of the Ten Commandments here.
The Word of Christ is not the Ten Commandments.
I Jn 5:2-
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2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
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His commandments are not the Ten Commandments.
You have not demonstrated a thing.
 

BobRyan

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The Word of Christ is not the Ten Commandments.
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His commandments are not the Ten Commandments.
You have not demonstrated a thing.

Wrong on all three counts - as usual.

in Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

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Mark 7
7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
10 For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition. [/quote]

Followed by "classic nonsense"

"The commandment of God" refers to only one of the Ten Commandments: "Honor thy father and mother."

Even the unbelieving Jews were not permitted such nonsense.

Even they knew that "the WORD OF GOD" the "Commandment of God" that Christ was speaking of would not allow them to invent a tradition to negate the prohibition against murder, invent a tradition to negate the prohibition against adultery, invent a tradition to negate the prohibition against idol worship.

The extreme position that Christ only restricted protection to "the 5th commandment" must be protected and not "THE WORD OF GOD" - and not the actual COMMANDMENTS of God spoken by God Himself from Sinai - is an eisegetical "insert" DHK adds to the text in an extreme bend-and-wrench of scripture that even the unchristian Jews were not inclined to resort to.

What utter nonsense to be used against the text of scripture!

How sad!

in Christ,

Bob
 

BobRyan

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DHK said:
9 For the commandments,
“You shall not commit adultery,”
“You shall not murder,”
“You shall not steal,”
“You shall not bear false witness,”
“You shall not covet,”

and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” (Lev 19:18) Wrong again. You fail in taking the entire passage in its context!

Romans 13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Verse 8--Love is a fulfilling of the law--NOT keeping the Ten Commandments.
Verse 9--Loving your neighbor is a fulfilling of the law.
Verse 10--Therefore love is the fulfilling of the law (See John 13:34,35).

Because to LOVE God and to LOVE the children of God you MUST "Keep His Commandments".

1 John 5
1 Whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God, and everyone who loves Him who begot also loves him who is begotten of Him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 4 For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Ex 20:6
6 but showing lovingkindness to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

John 14:15 "IF you LOVE Me KEEP My Commandments"

in Christ,

Bob
 
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