Ten Commandments, So What??

[BobRyan]

There is a Sabbath thread started where the conclusion for some is that the Sabbath is one of the Ten Commandments and God's Ten Commandments shouldn't matter to Christians.

Others argue that they shouldn't matter to lost people either because they were eliminated - abolished at the cross.

Others argue that all but one of the Ten Commandments were resurrected after all of them were nailed to the cross.

Others argue that they are all still valid but the Sabbath commandment has been "edited" to apply to another day.

Then there are those who claim that they are all still valid just as God gave them -- no change.

What say you?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[s8147817430]

What did Jesus say and do?

I have an opinion, but so did Jesus.

I am not baiting. I am simply reverting to my early teaching as a Christian.

 

[BobRyan]

Gal 4 says He lived under the Law and obeyed it perfectly.

In John 14 He said "if you Love Me Keep My Commandments" pre-cross.

BTW - so far the voting is unanimous

in Christ,

Bob

 

[skypair]

BR,

You left off the one option that Paul says applies. 1Tim 1:9 -- "Knowing this, that the law is NOT made for the rightous man [the man who is rightous in Jesus] but for the and disobedient, for the ungodly and sinners, for unholy and profane..."

But it would be just like one who wants to put us all "under that law" to give only false options. I'm glad you are not my cancer doctor or I'd have a choice of all kinds of "false positives" here! :laugh:

skypair

 

[BobRyan]

By the "law" do you mean all 10 or just one commandment?

IF you mean all 10 are dead -- might want to vote that way as well.

 

[johnjudge]

Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law, not do away with it. If you love God with all your heart, and your enemy as yourself, all the laws stand anyway, IMHO....

 

[steaver]

All of your options lack clarity and therefore I can't select any of them.

For example you add the word "binding" to some of them. What does this word "binding" mean in your view? Does it mean if one does not keep the law they will be punished in some way or lost? What is the consequence?

God Bless! :thumbs:

 

[Amy.G]

Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law, not do away with it. If you love God with all your heart, and your enemy as yourself, all the laws stand anyway, IMHO....

I believe this too and might add that I can only obey the "law" through Christ who fulfilled it and who is my righteousness.

 

[soninme]

I believe this too and might add that I can only obey the "law" through Christ who fulfilled it and who is my righteousness.

exactly amy , and well said . :godisgood:

 

[BobRyan]

All of your options lack clarity and therefore I can't select any of them.

For example you add the word "binding" to some of them. What does this word "binding" mean in your view? Does it mean if one does not keep the law they will be punished in some way or lost? What is the consequence?

God Bless! :thumbs:

Binding means they "define sin" so that when you do not honor your parents for example - you have sinned.

When you murder -- you have sinned.

When you covet -- you have sinned.

In Romans 6 there is a statement about being a slave to sin -- if sin in this case is transgression of the ten commandments and if even today we are not to be slaves to sin -- then they are binding.

James states that God's law is like a mirror and that it shows us our defects -- are you saying the Ten Commandments are included in that "mirror" that you look into -- showing you your defects?

"If you Love Me KEEP My commandments" -- those are "binding commandments" pre-cross.... what about post-cross?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[BobRyan]

Jesus Christ came to fulfill the law, not do away with it. If you love God with all your heart, and your enemy as yourself, all the laws stand anyway, IMHO....

Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:4
Love your Neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18

These were the commands pre-cross and as you point out... honor to parents, not coveting, worshipping the One True God etc are all outcomes of being in subjection to the Word of God, having the Law of God written on the heart etc.

So the Ten Commandments? In or Out?

Good or abolished?

Valid or -- done away with?

in Christ,

Bob

 

[ByGracethroughFaith]

Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:4
Love your Neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18

These were the commands pre-cross and as you point out... honor to parents, not coveting, worshipping the One True God etc are all outcomes of being in subjection to the Word of God, having the Law of God written on the heart etc.

So the Ten Commandments? In or Out?

Good or abolished?

Valid or -- done away with?

in Christ,

Bob

In. The purpose is to remove self-righteousness, pointing to righteousness that is found only in Christ.

As an SDA you are not so concerned with all ten though, it is principally the fourth one that gets your attention at the expense of the first one. I am curious what made you feel at liberty to break the fourth commandment in the creating of this thread?

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6528/fund77.htm

If you ask why the Jewish Saturday once observed as Lord’s Day was changed to the First Day, the answer is that Jesus proclaimed Himself Lord also of the Sabbath day, therefore greater than the statute law of Moses. Jesus is the incarnate Legislator of the world. As Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus had the right to interpret and ennoble the day, so that it might be the greatest institution for the culture of the three-fold man. The Scribes and Pharisees had misconceived the genius of the Sabbath law. They missed its underlying principle, encumbered it with intricate and inflexible rules, assuming themselves to be the judges of every act. "The letter killeth, the spirit giveth life." Jesus rescued the Sabbath from its burial under a mass of ceremonialism, and revealed its true spirit and meaning. "Jesus did for the Sabbath what a skipper does for his ship, when she comes laboring into port, unable to make headway, because her hulk is covered with barnacles. He puts her into drydock, and scrapes off the barnacles. He does not scuttle the ship. So our Lord does not repeal nor annul the Sabbath law when He strips it of the intolerable burdens which the ceremonialists had heaped upon it." In order to emphasize His new idea of the old Sabbath the disciples chose a new day as Lord’s Day.

The seventh day sabbath required absence of work, the eighth day is for fullness of worship.


BGTF

 

[trustitl]

Ten Commandmments

I would agree that the options are written in a way that doesn't offer the right answer as an choice. Kind of like "Have you stopped beating your wife yet?" If the choices are yes or no I couldn't answer.


If one of these were in the options I could have voted:

The 10 Commandments (along with the entire Law: every jot and tittle) is established and giving strength to sin for them that are under it. (I Cor. 15:56)

OR

The 10 Commandments (along with the entire Law: every jot and tittle) is still helping honest people see their sin. (Rom. 7:13)

OR

The 10 Commandments (along with the entire Law: every jot and tittle) is still giving the minds of men something to delight in while their members are subject to another law and is still bringing them into captivity. (Rom. 7:22-23)

OR

The 10 Commandments (along with the entire law: every jot and tittle ) is still a schoolmaster for those who have not come to Christ. (Gal. 3:24)

OR

The 10 Commandments (along with the entire law: every jot and tittle) are being turned to by those who know God and are bringing them into bondage to weak and beggarly elements. (Gal. 4:9)

OR

The 10 Commandments (along with the entire law, every jot and tittle) are a yoke a bondage for those not standing fast in the liberty which Christ has made them free. (Gal. 5:1)

The 10 Commandments (along with the entire law: every jot and tittle) are being use to glory in people's flesh. (Gal 6:13)

OR

Is still nailed to the cross (along with the entire law: every jot and tittle) having been taken out of the way for those who have been crucified with Christ.
(Col 2:14)

 

[Amy.G]

I'll take the last one! Nailed to the CROSS! :thumbs:

 

[steaver]

Trustitl,

Now those I must and can easily agree with! Good work :thumbs:

God Bless!

 

[BobRyan]

So far 6 out of 8 agree that the Ten Commandts have not been "downsized" to 9.


Not even ONE vote saying that they are "no longer binding"???? What about all those who want to say that the Ten Commandmetns are "taken out of the way and nailed to the cross" - surely that group could vote for "no longer binding"!!

So far ALL votes agree that the commandments are still binind and 75% agree that ALL ten are still valid-authorotative and binding as the Law of God

I find that amazing!!



For those looking for Bible support of "Nine Commandments not Ten"

Hint: Do a word search in scripture for "Nine Commandments". Then do another one for "Ten Commandments".

Tell us what you find.

in Christ,

Bob

 

[billwald]

"The Law" refers to the 613 positive and negative statements in Torah. <G>

 

[Brother Bob]

Is still nailed to the cross (along with the entire law: every jot and tittle) having been taken out of the way for those who have been crucified with Christ.
(Col 2:14)

Only because the righteous of the Law is fulfilled in us, through Christ.

BBob,

 

[BobRyan]

Point of correction - no text says "the Law of God is nailed to the Cross" no not even Col 2:14.

What we find in Col 2 is that "our certificate of debt" is paid at the cross. When someone pays the debt that that law demands -- that is the definition of "law that is UPHELD" not law being abolished.

IF you can ignore the debt that the law demands instead of having it paid -- that is the definition of law being struck down.

We all know this but for some reason when it comes to God's Law we pretend to be confused on the matter.

(Of course I am preaching to the choir here since we have not a single vote for the law - the commandments of God - being abolished, no-longer-binding etc)

in Christ,

Bob

 

[EdSutton]

Point of correction - no text says "the Law of God is nailed to the Cross" no not even Col 2:14.

What we find in Col 2 is that "our certificate of debt" is paid at the cross. When someone pays the debt that that law demands -- that is the definition of "law that is UPHELD" not law being abolished.

IF you can ignore the debt that the law demands instead of having it paid -- that is the definition of law being struck down.

We all know this but for some reason when it comes to God's Law we pretend to be confused on the matter.

(Of course I am preaching to the choir here since we have not a single vote for the law - the commandments of God - being abolished, no-longer-binding etc)

in Christ,

Bob

Kinda' tough to vote, when all the options are unacceptable, as given;

I seldom 'vote' in any of the polls, anyway; and

I never play on an unlevel playing field, if I can possibly help it, especially when 'the rules' are one-sided, IMO.

Three strikes and you're out.

So I just stayed "out".

Ed