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Ten Reasons for the War Between the States

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AustinC

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This statement is laughable.
"The only cause of the war was that the South was invaded and responded to Northern aggression."

John Brown, a Christian abolitionists tries to start a slave revolt and the next thing you know, the South is seceding,...but hey...let's blow smoke and say the North invaded.
 
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Salty

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AustinC said:
Slavery, Slavery, Slavery, Slavery, Slavery, Slavery, Slavery, Slavery, Slavery, and Slavery.
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Okay, Austin- I have a couple of questions for you?

1) And why were there still slaves in West Virginia - after they succeeded? (as well as 5 other States/Commonwealths

2) What Document prevented the importation of Slaves?
 
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AustinC

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Salty said:
Okay, Austin- I have a couple of questions for you?

1) And why were there still slaves in West Virginia - after they succeeded? (as well as 5 other States/Commonwealths

2) What Document prevented the importation of Slaves?
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1) Because they were still in rebellion against God.
2)No document. This nation was openly in rebellion against God. God judged us and found us wanting. God ordained the civil war and ordered the death of hundreds of thousands of people because of our open sin.
 
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AustinC said:
1) Because they were still in rebellion against God.
2)No document. This nation was openly in rebellion against God. God judged us and found us wanting. God ordained the civil war and ordered the death of hundreds of thousands of people because of our open sin.
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#2 YES, there was a legal document that prohibited slaves to be imported, from Africa.....
I could tell you, but I'll let you do a little bit of research.

#1 Okay - lets say you are right - (which I dont)
But from mans point of view - why?
 
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kathleenmariekg

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I sometimes think about what the history books are going to say about the 2020's. I used to think we could look to newspapers to report what the textbooks did not. I know firsthand that is not true now, and I now assume that is true of all the past.

This whole pandemic and watching how people talk and write about it has blown my mind. No matter how much I might sometimes doubt something about God or the Bible, my growing distrust of the secular world has is so much greater than any doubts about Christianity. It is so so SO much easier to trust God than man right now.

Slavery was not THE issue. What is claimed as the issue is seldom THE issue, when people are asked to account for the people they injured or killed.
 
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Massachusetts played a leading role in the importation of slaves. Massachusetts does its best to cover that up. But if you dig a very shallow hole into any financial records, you are certain to be hit smack in the face with papers that show their profits. If profits were added up, did the north or the south make more profit off of slavery?
 
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Revmitchell

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kathleenmariekg said:
Massachusetts played a leading role in the importation of slaves. Massachusetts does its best to cover that up. But if you dig a very shallow hole into any financial records, you are certain to be hit smack in the face with papers that show their profits. If profits were added up, did the north or the south make more profit off of slavery?
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only 10% of the south owned slaves
 
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AustinC

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Salty said:
#2 YES, there was a legal document that prohibited slaves to be imported, from Africa.....
I could tell you, but I'll let you do a little bit of research.

#1 Okay - lets say you are right - (which I dont)
But from mans point of view - why?
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Yet, sinful men kept importing them, thinking of them as 3/5ths of a human and treating slaves like property.

From human perspective... $$$$

Salty, the entire nation was guilty, which is why people in both the North and South were ordained to die.
 
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kathleenmariekg

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Faneuil Hall's Ties To Slavery Spark Debate In Boston
Faneuil Hall's Ties To Slavery Spark Debate In Boston

And this is the contradiction central to Faneuil Hall. The building has been a meeting place for revolutionaries and abolitionists. Frederick Douglass spoke here. But it's also a relic of the slave trade in Boston. Peter Faneuil was a merchant who made money off slavery and owned slaves himself. Slaves were bought and sold right next to what is now Faneuil Hall. ... he built it with the lives of trafficked people.

PENMAN: I asked visitors at Faneuil Hall what they thought about the debate. Most of them were tourists visiting the city on vacation, and none of them knew about Peter Faneuil's role in the slave trade. But they didn't seem to have strong feelings about the name either way.
 
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AustinC

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Salty said:
Actually the South wanted to count them as a full person
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Sure...yet be their slaves...
No matter how you try to justify sin...it's still sin. Time to own it, Salty. Slavery is a grievous sin with zero justification available.
 
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AustinC said:
Sure...yet be their slaves...
No matter how you try to justify sin...it's still sin. Time to own it, Salty. Slavery is a grievous sin with zero justification available.
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Not justifying anything - just giving you the facts !
(any luck about that document yet?)
 
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AustinC

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Salty said:
Not justifying anything - just giving you the facts !
(any luck about that document yet?)
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Why does a document matter. The US supported slavery and the South fought for it to remain supported.
It seems you are looking for a way out of the corner.
 
JonC

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Part of the issue with discussing slavery is it is set as primarily a racist issue rather than an evil and human rights issue. This makes people more defensive and assertive (especially since racial issues still exist).

But consider that in the mid 1800's the largest slave owner (owned 3 plantations around Beaufort SC, purchased one from the Governor, and had a reputation of cruelty towards slaves) was himself a former slave.

Also, it is difficult to justify slowly ending slavery so as to preserve the economy. What if it was abortion...should that be ended slowly so that abortionists can find other venues of income?
 
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AustinC

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JonC said:
Part of the issue with discussing slavery is it is set as primarily a racist issue rather than an evil and human rights issue. This makes people more defensive and assertive (especially since racial issues still exist).

But consider that in the mid 1800's the largest slave owner (owned 3 plantations around Beaufort SC, purchased one from the Governor, and had a reputation of cruelty towards slaves) was himself a former slave.

Also, it is difficult to justify slowly ending slavery so as to preserve the economy. What if it was abortion...should that be ended slowly so that abortionists can find other venues of income?
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Jon, you show the corruption of the human condition in your post, which is the crux of the matter. Slavery was prevalent in Africa as people were sold there and brought across the pond. Slavery is therefore not about racism. It is about immorality and sin.

There are many parallels between slavery and abortion. There will come a severe day of reckoning upon this nation for the millions of babies killed in the legal genocide of abortion.
 
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AustinC said:
Why does a document matter. The US supported slavery and the South fought for it to remain supported.
It seems you are looking for a way out of the corner.
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Wait - I am a little confused here - in the above quote - you said the US supported slavery
yet in a previous post, you stated that the WBTW was fought over Slavery.
So which is it- Did the USA fight the War to end slavery or to support it?

As far as the document - I would think it carries a lot of weight -
so why are you reluctant to be made aware of it?

AND no, I am NOT looking for a way out of the corner - I simply want to understand all three sides.
 
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