Terror on the Strip! Sniper guns down concert goers ...

[777]

There's too many things off here that makes me think we don't have even half the story here yet - motive??? A possible brain tumor, untreated mental illness (unlikely, given his age), what? The ISIS link is looking very weak, he is old for a mass murderer, and how did he get all those guns up in the suite past hotel security? They monitor your every move in that town.

And it took LEO seventy-two minutes to reach the room - why, and when did he stop shooting and turn the gun on himself? Need much more detail here.

 

[HankD]

There's too many things off here that makes me think we don't have even half the story here yet - motive??? A possible brain tumor, untreated mental illness (unlikely, given his age), what? The ISIS link is looking very weak, he is old for a mass murderer, and how did he get all those guns up in the suite past hotel security? They monitor your every move in that town.

And it took LEO seventy-two minutes to reach the room - why, and when did he stop shooting and turn the gun on himself? Need much more detail here.

777 Where did find that info - 72 minutes? Do you have a link.

Thanks

HankD

 

[Squire Robertsson]

IIRC, NFA firearm licenses are weapon specific. IOW, you need one for each individual weapon. Said license requires:

• a 200 dollar fee.
• notification of your local law enforcement agency.
• the submission of a "passport" photo with the license application.

IRRC, a curio and relics license doesn't cover NFA items e.g. fully automatic firearms. NFA firearms require their own licenses.

 

[LowOiL]

and how did he get all those guns up in the suite past hotel security? They monitor your every move in that town.

And it took LEO seventy-two minutes to reach the room - why, and when did he stop shooting and turn the gun on himself? Need much more detail here.

Yeah, I guess that is why I was waiting to comment. But just speculating here, but I could get most any weapon in a room with a golf bag (the hotel next door had a golf course) and perhaps a guitar case. But even if they were prone to being searched, most guns break down to the size that any large hard cased suitcase could carry them.

The time frame is (72 minutes) has be wondering, is that the time from the first shot to when the police entered the room or to when the police gave the "all clear" call. Because it takes a while to give an "all clear"... From what I have seen, the shooting lasted about 8 minutes (give or take 2 minutes)... The smoke detector gave the room number away (shoot that many rounds in a room and it produces heavy smoke).

We are just gonna have to wait for more details...

Was happy to see the jerk CBS lady that applauded the shootings was fired. She was happy it was those durn country music fans killed because they tend to vote conservative. Pretty sick.

 

[777]

Yeah, I know who you mean - that attorney VP, just hope Mueller doesn't hire the fool.

777 Where did find that info - 72 minutes? Do you have a link.

Thanks

HankD

Moment police blew door off Las Vegas shooter's hotel room | Daily Mail Online

It took police 72 minutes to locate Paddock after they received the first 911 call

Here, who knows if it's accurate? I think the fog of war thing is still on.

 

[LowOiL]

So when are we going to say enough is enough and pass some sensible laws?

I can take a few pieces of metal and some simple shop tools and convert a gun to fully automatic from YouTube videos. Just how many laws do you want changed? You can't change human nature via laws Crabtownboy. Once again a bad guy was upended via what? A good guy with a gun confronting him (the police this time).

The fellow if he wanted to could of took a tube like what wrapping paper comes on and taped it to the end of his gun and stuffed it with twinkies and had a ready made silencer for under 5 bucks. Some sub-sonic ammo (223) and blamo, they are almost silent. Gun laws are just stupid and only hurt law abiding citizens.

This fellow bought guns from several states (including California which has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the nation). He knew how to circumvent semi-fire and he didn't care for human life and he had the means to put his plan in action. Not much the LV police or any police/politician could do about it.

 

[Reynolds]

Not one word of sympathy for the victims.

Not one mention of prayer for the survivors.

Not one mention of prayer for the relatives of the deceased.

Just a full on rush to politicize a tragedy.

Shame on you.



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Works for the left. I quit mourning the second someone mentions restricting my Constitutionally guaranteed rights.

 

[Reynolds]

There's too many things off here that makes me think we don't have even half the story here yet - motive??? A possible brain tumor, untreated mental illness (unlikely, given his age), what? The ISIS link is looking very weak, he is old for a mass murderer, and how did he get all those guns up in the suite past hotel security? They monitor your every move in that town.

And it took LEO seventy-two minutes to reach the room - why, and when did he stop shooting and turn the gun on himself? Need much more detail here.

We don't have 1/10th the story. What is obvious is Law Enforcement botched this one terribly.

 

[Revmitchell]

We don't have 1/10th the story. What is obvious is Law Enforcement botched this one terribly.

Why is that?

 

[Reynolds]

Why is that?

It took them over 70 minutes to stop an active shooter? Pitiful! Two Windows are busted out and they can't find the shooter until a smoke alarm goes off??? They forget how to count?

 

[TCassidy]

The fellow if he wanted to could of took a tube like what wrapping paper comes on and taped it to the end of his gun and stuffed it with twinkies and had a ready made silencer for under 5 bucks.

A 1 Liter plastic coke bottle slipped over the muzzle. 5 cents.

 

[Billx]

I doubt it. It was probably equipped with a "bump fire" stock. Idiotic and useless invention unless you want to do just as this guy did, fire into a crowd without bothering to aim or to pick your targets.

All the rest of your points I agree with.

This is an awful, tragic event with no reasonable explanation. Upset his family amines the lives of so many. All can do is pray. We are under a cloud of plague.

 

[HankD]

Yeah, I guess that is why I was waiting to comment. But just speculating here, but I could get most any weapon in a room with a golf bag (the hotel next door had a golf course) and perhaps a guitar case. But even if they were prone to being searched, most guns break down to the size that any large hard cased suitcase could carry them.

The time frame is (72 minutes) has be wondering, is that the time from the first shot to when the police entered the room or to when the police gave the "all clear" call. Because it takes a while to give an "all clear"... From what I have seen, the shooting lasted about 8 minutes (give or take 2 minutes)... The smoke detector gave the room number away (shoot that many rounds in a room and it produces heavy smoke).

We are just gonna have to wait for more details...

Was happy to see the jerk CBS lady that applauded the shootings was fired. She was happy it was those durn country music fans killed because they tend to vote conservative. Pretty sick.

Thanks again 777

HankD

 

[HankD]

It took them over 70 minutes to stop an active shooter? Pitiful! Two Windows are busted out and they can't find the shooter until a smoke alarm goes off??? They forget how to count?

Uh, it was at night, even if the building was partially lit up the broken windows were probably not visible.

several of the victims/witnesses said they didn't know where the shots were coming from so it was probably not evident, the building was 1500 feet from the concert. Some former military said they were able to center in the fire as coming from the building.

HankD

 

[Reynolds]

Uh, it was at night, even if the building was partially lit up the broken windows were probably not visible.

several of the victims/witnesses said they didn't know where the shots were coming from so it was probably not evident, the building was 1500 feet from the concert. Some former military said they were able to center in the fire as coming from the building.

HankD

Its never dark on the strip.

 

[HankD]

Its never dark on the strip.

I know, but some things are not quite visible either in the night time light of the strip.

HankD

 

[HankD]

Well this didn't take long ... conspiracy theory!

more than one shooter;

The mainstream media narrative about the Las Vegas shooting has been debunked by two explosive videos provided to Your News Wire that confirm there were multiple shooters involved in a co-ordinated attack.

Las Vegas: Video Confirms Multiple Shooters, Co-ordinated Attack

 

[Reynolds]

Well this didn't take long ... conspiracy theory!

more than one shooter;


Las Vegas: Video Confirms Multiple Shooters, Co-ordinated Attack

Wonder how he fixed the glass?

 

[HankD]

Wonder how he fixed the glass?

Probably the 4th floor windows opened - weren't sealed.

It's a conspiracy theory, it doesn't have to make sense!

HankD

 

[LowOiL]

Thanks again 777

HankD

Your welcome... Here is timeline according to radio reports...

Dispatch was notified of shots fired at 10:08 pm.
Dispatch was notified that shooting was coming from Mandalay Bay at 10:09, from “halfway up”. Presumably muzzle flashes were seen.
At 10:11 the Command Post that is set up in advance of these events confirmed that shots were fired from Mandalay Bay and multiple casualties.
At 10:12 A patrol Sgt. or Lt, calls for a five man strike to rally on him at Mandalay Bay and the Boulevard.
4 minutes gone by, rounds still outgoing.
Officers on the ground are still not entirely sure that there is one shooter or exactly the position and orientation of the shooter(s). Reports of shots coming from Gate 7.
At 11:12 a rifle has been deployed in front of Mandalay Bay, and calls go out to provide spotter info so the rifle armed officer can engage. Response is confusion on whether Mandalay or Luxor.
At 11:13 an officer reports that the shots are coming from the 50th or 60th floor.
Another officer contradicts this by saying it is in the West Tower in the Center of the building.
At 10:14, an officer is reported shot.
At 10:14 another officer reports that he is on the 31st floor and can hear the automatic fire, one floor above us.
6 minutes have elapsed since the first reports of shots fired.
At 10:17, officers are still reporting that the shooter is in about the 15th floor.
At 10:19 Drunk civilians are reported to be running toward the gunfire. Also at this time another patrol supervisor has rallied a team of four and is moving to make contact with the suspect. Requests for the elevators to be shut down to limit the suspects movement have been made.
Also at this time there are two officers outside the shooters door, waiting for more officers to arrive.
At 10:21 officers are still receiving fire from suspect.
At 10:23 an officer reports that there may have been three shooters.
at 10:24 room 135 is identified as shooters room.
At 10:26 report of the security officer being hit comes in.
At 10:27, team holding the door of 135 advise that another team is in route and that there is a second shooter on the 29th floor.
At 10:29 a report of citizens trying to take shotguns out of police vehicles.
At 10:32 triage is being set up by FD.
At 10:36, a fireteam element has arrived on the 29th floor.
10:39 a SWAT team is moving up to the 32nd floor.
At 10:40, an officer reports that he has not heard any shots for about ten to fifteen minutes.
At 10:41 Z20 (Swat Team Leader) say they are on site.
10:45 report of a citizens taking patrol cars, officer requesting assistance.
At 10:49 a Swat officer is asking if the floor has been evacuated because snipers are staging soon. Rooms are being cleared one by one. Fireteams are stuck at the lobby because the elevators are shut down.
At 10:51, an officer reports a possible (suspect) at Reno and Tropicana.
At 10:58 officers report that the hallway where the shooters room is located is contained.
This broadcast ends at 11:06 without any further radio traffic.

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Prediction: The LV police will release very little more details due to trying to keep copycats from using the information. These police work for a government that is very interested in keeping tourism alive in their town.