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Terror Spectacular

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LadyEagle

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KenH said:
So your side never counter-attacks? Or if you side attacks no one with a different viewpoint should counter-attack? :)

And now you are comparing those who disagree with you on this board to drunks and people who use drugs?
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That comparison was never stated. Back on topic, please.
 
KenH

KenH

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This thread went off topic on post #7 but we didn't see you tell your premillennialist buddy to get back on topic.
 
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saturneptune

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Rufus_1611 said:
The United States of America had far greater blessings well before the nation state called "Israel" ever existed. However, the curses and judgment we are currently under have increased as our blind support for this antichrist nation state has increased. I'm not saying there is a cause and effect there, but this idea that our nation will be blessed according to our support for another nation state, particularly an antichrist one, is absurd. Our nation will be blessed in accordance to our level of repentance of individual and national sins.

Since labeling folks who don't bow to a foreign nation state as replacement theologians seems to be the easy out, let me state for the record, I am not a replacement theologian. One would have to ignore far too much scripture to believe that God does not have a plan for the Jewish people and to God be the glory for that plan. It makes sense that they were the group who He dealt with towards the beginning of the book and it would make sense that He will deal with them at the end of the book. However, Christians don't need to support antichrists in order to make that happen and we do not need to commit national suicide in that effort. Also, please consider which comes next? Does Jesus Christ enter Jerusalem first or does the Son of Perdition? Thus, if we are to support the political and governmental machinations that will bring the Son of Perdition into their land...who would we be supporting?
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So what do you suggest our policy be in that region, if not Israel, then who, Syria, Iran, and Palestine?
 
KenH

KenH

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How about our federal government keeping its nose out of other countries' business when they are not a threat to these United States?
 
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KenH

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From the article that started this thread:

"A secret U.S. law enforcement report, prepared for the Department of Homeland Security, warns that al Qaeda is planning a terror "spectacular" this summer...

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said today on ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that the United States did not have "have any specific credible evidence that there's an attack focused on the United States at this point." "

So which is it? Is there substance to the threat in the law enforcement document or is Secretary Chertoff correct that there is no substance?

It looks like the government on all levels still can't get its act together almost six years after the attacks on 9/11/2001.
 
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KenH

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FEMA was orginally set up to keep the federal government running in case the Soviet Union nuked these United States and took out the standing government. It is out of its league dealing with natural disasters as it wasn't set up to be an aid disbursing organization.
 
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Rufus_1611

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saturneptune said:
So what do you suggest our policy be in that region, if not Israel, then who, Syria, Iran, and Palestine?
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If we base our policies on the principles this nation was founded upon and maintained upon (prior to the 20th century), we should get our own house in order and leave the middle east alone, as it is none of our business.

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson

"In the wars of the European powers, in matters relating to themselves, we have never taken part, nor does it comport with our policy, so to do. It is only when our rights are invaded, or seriously menaced that we resent injuries, or make preparations for our defense." - James Monroe

"He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine

"We Americans have no commission from God to police the world." - Benjamin Harrison

"I think the United States must be humble, we must be proud and confident of our values, but humble in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart their own course." - George W Bush​

The American people send their wives to work, have to work past April to pay for their Federal "income" taxes, and sell their posterity into bondage via national debt so they can pay for things like...

Let's be friends with these nations but let's stop bombing and funding them and let's place our military back in the business of defending this country rather than offending against others.
 
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saturneptune

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Rufus_1611 said:
If we base our policies on the principles this nation was founded upon and maintained upon (prior to the 20th century), we should get our own house in order and leave the middle east alone, as it is none of our business.

"Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none." - Thomas Jefferson

"In the wars of the European powers, in matters relating to themselves, we have never taken part, nor does it comport with our policy, so to do. It is only when our rights are invaded, or seriously menaced that we resent injuries, or make preparations for our defense." - James Monroe

"He who is the author of a war lets loose the whole contagion of hell and opens a vein that bleeds a nation to death." - Thomas Paine

"We Americans have no commission from God to police the world." - Benjamin Harrison

"I think the United States must be humble, we must be proud and confident of our values, but humble in how we treat nations that are figuring out how to chart their own course." - George W Bush​

The American people send their wives to work, have to work past April to pay for their Federal "income" taxes, and sell their posterity into bondage via national debt so they can pay for things like...

Let's be friends with these nations but let's stop bombing and funding them and let's place our military back in the business of defending this country rather than offending against others.
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Actually I agee with most of that. The UN is a farce, and really, we should only have defense arrangements through treaties approved by the Senate with other nations or a group of nations that fit our interests. We could use all that manpower to protect our borders. Learning to use what energy we produce would go a long way in cutting ties to the Middle East.
 
KenH

KenH

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saturneptune said:
Learning to use what energy we produce would go a long way in cutting ties to the Middle East.
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Yes and it wouldn't be all that difficult as only 15% of our oil comes from the Persian Gulf.
 
poncho

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James_Newman said:
Wouldn't a terror 'spectacular' really be counter productive for the 'islamofascists' at this point? With the American popular opinion being overwhelmingly against the current foreign policy, what would 'Bin Laden' and his 'al qaida' friends really have to gain from a spectacular terror attack, unless they really do want us over there indefinitely...
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They wouldn't gain anything but DHS and our big brother/military/security/energy industrial complex government would benefit plenty. There'd be money, power and control galore for anyone promising "safety". Well, actually there'd be more debt to China and Japan and government/police corruption and less liberty but hey, who's going to question "safety" in the face of the threat from AL CIA DUH terrorists extraordinaire?

There's still three trillion dollars "missing" from the Pentagon. Still no story at 11:00 from the "liberal Bush hating media".
 
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LadyEagle

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I praise God that He kept His hand of protection on our unworthy nation on July 4th. He is so good to us and I praise Him for His Goodness.
 
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hillclimber1

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KenH said:
These discussions make me very, very glad that we have separation of church and state in this country(I know that those words aren't in the U.S. constitution but it is a de facto principle that we have operated under since 1776).
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And the perversion of that principal is largely responsible for outing the Lord from American society. A very very bad twisting of the constitution.
 
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hillclimber1

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KenH said:
How about our federal government keeping its nose out of other countries' business when they are not a threat to these United States?
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This Islamo-facist movement is not a threat to America and it's allies? I believe they are a primary movement leading the world to Armageddon. Remember, they are steadfast in their goal to obliterate Israel, and how many times have they sworn to destroy "the great satan"? You think they're kidding?
 
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hillclimber1

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KenH said:
From the article that started this thread:

"A secret U.S. law enforcement report, prepared for the Department of Homeland Security, warns that al Qaeda is planning a terror "spectacular" this summer...

Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said today on ABC News' "This Week with George Stephanopoulos" that the United States did not have "have any specific credible evidence that there's an attack focused on the United States at this point." "

So which is it? Is there substance to the threat in the law enforcement document or is Secretary Chertoff correct that there is no substance?

It looks like the government on all levels still can't get its act together almost six years after the attacks on 9/11/2001.
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A preponderance of circumstantial evidence can often be such that general conclusions can be drawn. Chertoff and his people don't invent information, they deal with it, sorting it out and drawing possible conclusions. To dismiss this, out of hand would be foolish.
 
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