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Terrorism in Spain the Result of 'Human Rights'

Martin Marprelate

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I understand that the ‘imam’ who planned the destruction of the Sagrada Familia and built a 12-strong terrorist cell of indoctrinated youths who murdered 15 people and injured 150 others, was a convicted drug smuggler with properties in both Morocco and Spain; whom Spanish judges refused to deport after his prison sentence on the grounds of his ‘human rights’; then successfully claimed asylum, gaining access to free movement around Europe, which he used to liaise with terror cells in Belgium and elsewhere before he accidentally blew himself up and his death-eaters went on their final rampage.

Apparently he was ‘unfailingly courteous’ and so ‘evaded scrutiny’ – though how one evades scrutiny while being a convicted drug smuggler and applying for asylum while regularly visiting the country one is supposed to be escaping from, is hard to fathom. Let alone when one has been recorded as having links to jihadi bombers both inside and outside prison. But hey, he was clearly a reformed character, having renounced his previous life of crime and become an ‘imam’. Nothing to worry about there.

The Muslim community in the town he visited in Belgium actually flagged him to the Belgian authorities, and one mosque refused to employ him; but he was not regarded as a risk. Small wonder that the Chief Rabbi in Barcelona is advising Jews to leave
Europe.

Most of the story above is of authorities struggling and failing in the unequal task of trying to detect every needle in every haystack. We should not condemn them for it.

The thing that stands out most starkly is that a convicted drug smuggler from a country which is not at war, can claim asylum in Europe and escape deportation back to a country he visits regularly, on the grounds that it would breach the EU’s idea of his ‘human rights’.

This is the fault of stupid people in Europe – politicians, activists, lawyers and judges – who are bent on destroying us all in the name of ‘progressive’ politics.

That's one reason why Britain needs to get out of the E.U.
 
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That's one reason why Britain needs to get out of the E.U.

Maybe. But I have seen nothing that would make me think the UK is in any way significantly different. If it is, that is only because it has much more experience than the Spanish. I suspect that the French, still a loyal part of the EU, have different practices from the Spanish, who are more accustomed to internal terrorism.
 
The EU nations almost all have more police officers (policemen with arrest powers) than the US. Yet, the EU is literally bombarded by terrorism. I think it's because they don't take it seriously. And, the politicians over there are outrageous compared to US politicians.

Also, Americans carry firearms. It's a lot more difficult to perpetrate terrorism amongst an armed populace. I've talked to people I know in Germany, Sweden, UK, and Ireland. Hans, from Sweden said, "Here we do not strap guns to ourselves and go out walking."

But Switzerland has a very large number of machine guns kept by soldiers in their homes. Swiss gun laws are very liberal. 24% of the population owns firearms. And citizens of many Islamic nations are legally forbidden to possess firearms in Switzerland. It is not part of the EU. Consequently, EU pressure to accept Muslim migrants just bounces off Switzerland.

Without Muslim immigrants the Swiss get no concentrated populations of Muslims, so there are no terror cells forming. Spain recently adopted a secular government that makes no sense whatsoever! It's ruined the country. But Switzerland has no problem with Islamic terrorism
 

Martin Marprelate

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Maybe. But I have seen nothing that would make me think the UK is in any way significantly different. If it is, that is only because it has much more experience than the Spanish. I suspect that the French, still a loyal part of the EU, have different practices from the Spanish, who are more accustomed to internal terrorism.
Perhaps I wasn't quite clear. E.U. countries are subject to two European courts and these frequently prevent countries from expelling foreign criminals on the grounds of their 'human rights.' We in Britain have had this problem on numerous occasions; so when the criminal/terrorist has finished his sentence, we have to spend ££millions keeping tabs on the guy. Something like this seems to have been the case in Spain.

For me, I'm happy to have genuine asylum seekers in Britain, but if they break the law in any serious way, they end our responsibility to host them, and back they go to where they came from.
 

David Kent

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Also, Americans carry firearms. It's a lot more difficult to perpetrate terrorism amongst an armed populace. I've talked to people I know in Germany, Sweden, UK, and Ireland. Hans, from Sweden said, "Here we do not strap guns to ourselves and go out walking."

Just another example of US gun worship. Whether anyone carries firearms or not does not have any effect on terrorists as the want to die because they think they will be martyrs. If somebody blows themselves up in a car bomb or mows down people with a car or truck, guns will not protect you,but if dozens of people open up on them probably many others will be killed.
 

Revmitchell

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Just another example of US gun worship. Whether anyone carries firearms or not does not have any effect on terrorists as the want to die because they think they will be martyrs. If somebody blows themselves up in a car bomb or mows down people with a car or truck, guns will not protect you,but if dozens of people open up on them probably many others will be killed.

Just because someone views guns differently than you or how you would like does not justify accusing them of worshiping guns. That is an extreme accusation and is false and without merit.
 

David Kent

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Just because someone views guns differently than you or how you would like does not justify accusing them of worshiping guns. That is an extreme accusation and is false and without merit.

Oh so what would you call it?
By the way Reverend is a name for God, not man. Psalm 111:8
 

Yeshua1

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Perhaps I wasn't quite clear. E.U. countries are subject to two European courts and these frequently prevent countries from expelling foreign criminals on the grounds of their 'human rights.' We in Britain have had this problem on numerous occasions; so when the criminal/terrorist has finished his sentence, we have to spend ££millions keeping tabs on the guy. Something like this seems to have been the case in Spain.

For me, I'm happy to have genuine asylum seekers in Britain, but if they break the law in any serious way, they end our responsibility to host them, and back they go to where they came from.
My understanding i that a big problem in Europe is that the Muslims who enter into there refuse to assimilate into European cultureand stay in their own refuge cities, and the authorities loath to tryto crack down on them as terrorists.
 

David Kent

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My understanding i that a big problem in Europe is that the Muslims who enter into there refuse to assimilate into European cultureand stay in their own refuge cities, and the authorities loath to tryto crack down on them as terrorists.

That is true.
 

David Kent

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In UK one mosque was closed down but he imam continued to preach his hate in the open, I think he was eventually deported to the USA.
 
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Yeshua1

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In UK one mosque was closed down but he imam continued to preach his hate in the open, I think he was deported to the USA.
He probably ended up preaching next to the so call Rev Wright of president Obama, as both had the same message!
 
Just another example of US gun worship. Whether anyone carries firearms or not does not have any effect on terrorists as the want to die because they think they will be martyrs. If somebody blows themselves up in a car bomb or mows down people with a car or truck, guns will not protect you,but if dozens of people open up on them probably many others will be killed.
Terrorists want to prey on a helpless populace. They may end up dead in the end. But first they want to harm helpless people. If the terrorist is pretty sure he'll be killed--or at least disabled--before he can strike, he'll look elsewhere. The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

And if terrorists are resolute to kill the innocent, the quickest and surest way to eliminate the threat is by shooting them. If they die before killing the infidels, there is no martyrdom for them; no heavenly reward. Their death was for nothing. No terrorist wants that.
 

David Kent

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The only solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.

That's assuming the bad guy, doesn't shoot the good guy first.
If you remember the Charlie Hebdo attack in Paris, there were two good guys, armed police officers, guarding the building and they were both shot and killed.
 

Matt Black

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I understand that the ‘imam’ who planned the destruction of the Sagrada Familia and built a 12-strong terrorist cell of indoctrinated youths who murdered 15 people and injured 150 others, was a convicted drug smuggler with properties in both Morocco and Spain; whom Spanish judges refused to deport after his prison sentence on the grounds of his ‘human rights’; then successfully claimed asylum, gaining access to free movement around Europe, which he used to liaise with terror cells in Belgium and elsewhere before he accidentally blew himself up and his death-eaters went on their final rampage.

Apparently he was ‘unfailingly courteous’ and so ‘evaded scrutiny’ – though how one evades scrutiny while being a convicted drug smuggler and applying for asylum while regularly visiting the country one is supposed to be escaping from, is hard to fathom. Let alone when one has been recorded as having links to jihadi bombers both inside and outside prison. But hey, he was clearly a reformed character, having renounced his previous life of crime and become an ‘imam’. Nothing to worry about there.

The Muslim community in the town he visited in Belgium actually flagged him to the Belgian authorities, and one mosque refused to employ him; but he was not regarded as a risk. Small wonder that the Chief Rabbi in Barcelona is advising Jews to leave
Europe.

Most of the story above is of authorities struggling and failing in the unequal task of trying to detect every needle in every haystack. We should not condemn them for it.

The thing that stands out most starkly is that a convicted drug smuggler from a country which is not at war, can claim asylum in Europe and escape deportation back to a country he visits regularly, on the grounds that it would breach the EU’s idea of his ‘human rights’.

This is the fault of stupid people in Europe – politicians, activists, lawyers and judges – who are bent on destroying us all in the name of ‘progressive’ politics.

That's one reason why Britain needs to get out of the E.U.
Getting out of the EU won't change that: we would still be subject to the ECHR, which is nothing to do with the EU
 

David Kent

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Getting out of the EU won't change that: we would still be subject to the ECHR, which is nothing to do with the EU
No way. We will have to leave that as well.
Henry the great (VIII) took us out of Europe and the jurisdiction of the European courts. Our treacherous politiians in recent years have undone that.
When Henry took us out of Europe it was the hardest of all exits. There were many RC plots against him and
his descendants including the gunpowder plot against James 1st, but it was the beginning of our greatest period.
 
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