Terrorism

Yes, you can trust their judgement over mine. You have the right to be wrong.

I don't want you to leave prematurely. I want you to win the fight instead of talking about winning the fight. I want you to "fight terrorism" all over the world and not just where it is convenient for you.

Raise a conservative son all you want. He may stay one, he may turn. When I have a son, I will raise a CHRISTIAN...one who believes what the Bible teaches...not some political party line. And maybe I'll teach him to take the good from EACH party (imagine that) and live like Jesus would have him to.


And some conservatives are redneck racists with white hoods who believe a dude named Adolph was a smart guy that everyone just didn't understand...

[ July 17, 2005, 05:28 PM: Message edited by: DHK ]

 

You really need to go back and read all the posts. I was very interested in the views here of my original question, but within a couple of post my church was atacked and over and over again homosexuality was trying to be drawn into the discussion, way off topic IMHO. Then add in all the "mental disorder" remarks then yes, I question your understanding what it means to be a Christian. If you can stay on topic, we could have a fruitful discussion.

 

Joe, why do you insist on going off topic? I asked a question in my initial post and I can say without a bit of guilt, it is a question that I haven't been able to put to rest, and I posted here to see what others thought. I know the policy of this board is to ban anyone espousing homosexual views and it seems obvious to me that you are trying to bait me into doing that so I get banned. I guess the real answer here is that you have no good answer to my original question which is if you forgot.
If terrorists murder innocent people, then why has the USA murdered more innocent people than the terrorists. So far your answers haven't been too creative so I understand your frustration and even forgive you for your attempts for trying to get me banned.

 

Joseph, why are you harassing the guy? If he wants to answer you he will. Conservatives....

 

#1 I asked if terrorists murder innocent civilians then why have we, the USA murdered more innocent civilians?

#2 First hand account? Is that you? So are you saying that terrorists have murdered more civilains than the USA? Do you have a link to that info? It contradicts most statistics I have seen.

#3 Not true. I never mentioned homosexuality, you and Joe seemed obsessed with that off topic.

#4 Guilty as charged

#5 Well thats an opinion and I do welcome your thoughts.

#6 Not often but my original post was very serious.

Still haven't gotten a senseable answer with all the attempts at going off topic.

 

Joseph, you didn't you answer my question.

 

You too Joe

 

Funny always an attack the messenger, LOL
It is really very simple, pay attention. Terrorists kill innocent people. We, the USA in Iraq have killed more innocent people that the terrorists. So what does that make us? Add in past mistakes like Vietnam the innocent people the USA has murdered reaches into the Millions of people. What does that makes us? Now do you understand why you only see America deaths counted??
If you are an astute observer, how is it you are so blind to the innocent murdered by the USA? The time to hide you head in the sand of honor is long gone. It is time to stare the beast in the face and it looks like us. You want to stop terrorism, start at home.
And lets put this off topic silliness to rest once and for all. The first mention of homosexual was on page two by Joseph Botwinick. I don't expect you to apologise, that would require humility.

 

You know what? Edited to be nice and not make MYSELF look bad.

 

"The beast doesnt look like 'us'. ***edit by blackbird***

Good point...when I read my Bible I don't even see "you" guys in there.

[ July 19, 2005, 11:19 AM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

Delivered,

I'm not one to bash Muslims, but when you call them innocent civiliians, I have to admit that I am not sure how innocent the civillians are.

They have done little or nothing to stop the terrorists, they treat the terroists like heros, they hide them from authorities, they cheer them in the streets. Some of them willingly send their child off to camps to become terrorists.

Joseph is right - we have not killed as many civillians as the terrorists and Saddam did. Even with bombs that go wrong.

We did not just wake up one morning and decide to try to murder tens of thousands of people by attacking Afghanistan. The followers of Bin Laden did, however, wake up decide to try to kill as many innocent, non-military-Americans as they could. God protected a LOT of people that day, and only 3,000 died, but normally, the world trade center would have held over 10,000 people. Who knows how many would have died had that 3rd plane hit its target?

We did not just wake up one morning and decide to attack Iraq. Saddam had attacked neighboring nations many times, including Kuwait. When he invaded Kuwait, they begged us to help. We did. We also allowed the citizens of Iraq to go on with life without becoming some kind of conquered puppet regime, but they refused to comply with the UN sanctions that allowed us to confirm that they were not, once again, trying to invade a neighbor. During that "time of peace" Saddam used biochemical weapons on his own people.

Now, we've "won" a war, and yet, terrorists are STILL blowing people up. Instead of pointing fingers at their own world, a world that teaches their children human life means nothing - they point it at the peace-keepers.

Look at recent attacks and speak to me of "innocents."
Were the people of Spain and London provoking that kind of behavior?

 

One additional thought.

When World War II was in the "beginning" stages - many, many nations, European and non-European, took the, "It isn't our business," stance. Slowly but surely, nation after nation fell.

When MILLIONS of people were vanishing off the face of the earth, the world looked the other way. It "wasn't their problem," it "didn't concern them," etc.

Ignoring the plague doesn't make the plague go away.

I know that today is rather popular to say that the President of the US "let Pearl Harbor happen so we would have to join the war." Without stopping to ask, "Why are you blaming HIM for Japan's attack??" He didn't PLAN the attack. He didn't "encourage" the attack.

We looked the other way time after time after time:

Kidnapping of Embassy Official, March 16, 1984: The Islamic Jihad kidnapped and later murdered Political Officer William Buckley in Beirut, Lebanon. Other U.S. citizens not connected to the U.S. government were seized over a succeeding two-year period.

Saddam Hussein’s dictatorship provided headquarters, operating bases, training camps, and other support to terrorist groups fighting the governments of neighboring Turkey and Iran, as well as to hard-line Palestinian groups. During the 1991 Gulf War, Saddam commissioned several failed terrorist attacks on U.S. facilities.

Saddam has aided the Iranian dissident group Mujahedeen-e-Khalq and the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (known by its Turkish initials, PKK), a separatist group fighting the Turkish government.

Iraq has hosted several Palestinian splinter groups that oppose peace with Israel, including the mercenary Abu Nidal Organization, whose leader, Abu Nidal, was found dead in Baghdad in August 2002.

Iraq has also supported the Islamist Hamas movement and reportedly channeled money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers.

Has Iraq ever used weapons of mass destruction?
Yes. In the 1980s Iran-Iraq War, Iraqi troops repeatedly used poison gas, including mustard gas and the nerve agent sarin, against Iranian soldiers.

Iranian officials also accuse Iraq of dropping mustard-gas bombs on Iranian villages. Human Rights Watch reports that Iraq frequently used nerve agents and mustard gas against Iraqi Kurds living in the country’s north. In March 1988, Saddam’s forces reportedly killed thousands of Iraqi Kurds in the town of Halabja with chemical weapons.

Innocent?