1689Dave
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Please quote the verse and to whom it was written.
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Texas Baptist Church to Allow Ministers to Perform Same Sex Marriages
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You realize you continually contradict yourself from post to post.
Jesus was not and could not be talking about the Old Covenant in MT 19:9.
1689Dave
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He certainly was. He cleared up the pharisees understanding of divorce and remarriage. The New Covenant replaced the Old, and no provision for divorce exists today by divine sanction. Divorce laws are as good in God's sight as abortion laws or homosexual marriage laws.
Matt 19:9.
Now please show me where that verse has been superseded or otherwise made null and void to people living nowadays.
(And go ahead and invoke lame argument #3 again.)
1689Dave
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It was about divorce under Moses. No provision for divorce exists in the NT.
So when did (what you call) OT divorce rules become obsolete?
Same time as the ten commandments?
1689Dave
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They were part Old Covenant replaced by the New Covenant. Some of the Old Covenant made it into the New. But divorce did not.
The Pharisees well understood Moses law on divorce. Under Moses law, the man could put away the woman for any reason simply by giving her a divorce paper. Reconcile that to what Jesus said.
Replaced? No. Jesus fulfilled, not replaced the law.
1689Dave
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If you need to be told not to murder or steal under threat of death, I don't want to run across your church. Paul says love fulfills the Law and this is what Jesus did. Leaving us his example to follow.
1689Dave
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But no divorce provisions in the NT.
So, 1 Cor. 7 isn't in the NT?
1689Dave
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I found it;
“Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman. Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband. Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband. The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife. Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency. But I speak this by permission, and not of commandment. For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I. But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn. And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband: But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried, or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife. But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him. For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy. But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace. For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife? But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches. Is any man called being circumcised? let him not become uncircumcised. Is any called in uncircumcision? let him not be circumcised. Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God. Let every man abide in the same calling wherein he was called. Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. For he that is called in the Lord, being a servant, is the Lord’s freeman: likewise also he that is called, being free, is Christ’s servant. Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of men. Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God. Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful. I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you. But this I say, brethren, the time is short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; And they that use this world, as not abusing it: for the fashion of this world passeth away. But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction. But if any man think that he behaveth himself uncomely toward his virgin, if she pass the flower of her age, and need so require, let him do what he will, he sinneth not: let them marry. Nevertheless he that standeth stedfast in his heart, having no necessity, but hath power over his own will, and hath so decreed in his heart that he will keep his virgin, doeth well. So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better. The wife is bound by the law as long as her husband liveth; but if her husband be dead, she is at liberty to be married to whom she will; only in the Lord. But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.” (1 Corinthians 7)
You can say that 1,000,000 times, but you are still wrong. The verse in question is plainly a divorce provision for The New Covenant. The commentary ended at verse 8.
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1689Dave
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It is about divorce under the OT properly understood. But, let me ask, why would the innocent wife, divorced from an adulterous husband, commit adultery along with the man she married, if the "except clause" meant what you think it means?
THIS OP IS ABOUT A BAPTIST church preforming weddings for same-s@x couples.
It is NOT about DIVORCE!! -
Lets get back on the subject.
If you want to discuss divorce go to this new discussion - click here
It is NOT about DIVORCE!! -
Lets get back on the subject.
If you want to discuss divorce go to this new discussion - click here
1689Dave
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Divorce and remarriage = adultery = the same weight of sin as homosexual marriage. Churches who make room for adultery are not able to condone one and not the other.
Dave you have said that previously - compare it all you want - but I have shown that you are not correct - be advised that this post is the end of the comparing the two actions (divorce and SSM)
Now, if you want to discuss the OP which in part states: "After months of praying, leaders ... have decided to allow their ministers to perform same-sex weddings inside their church building even though it goes against the official policy of the Baptist General Convention of Texas.
Now if you insist on the comparison - THEN START A NEW THREAD!
1689Dave
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How can you permit one sin and not another of equal weight.
Dave, you have a good point but please take this to a new thread.
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