Texas Republicans Continue War on Women's Health

[saturneptune]

Actually I called YOU out on accusing MEMBERS OF THIS BOARD as having "low morals" and of having "sold their soul" for simply speculating about voting for Romney.

While simultaneously endorsing Santorum who endorsed Romney - and now it seems that you yourself may be considering voting for Romney.

All I can say is "Wow".



Actually this group is not merely "in favor of abortion" as you so mildly say - but actually perform abortions, campaign for women to have abortions, use our tax dollars to perform abortions, and now are holding legitmate health care services in hostage in order to continue the same.

I know that your feelings are hurt because you were called out on your inappropriate accusations against fellow board members (ie "low morals" and "sold your soul") and I applaude your recent apology tour and hope that you will be able to mature enough to get over it.

I can only hope though - the work is up to you.

You are right. It is up to me. Not only up to me, but none of your business.

 

[targus]

You are right. It is up to me. Not only up to me, but none of your business.

Except for the fact that you are posting on a public board where any member is free to read and comment...

If it is not my business, but only your own, perhaps you should not bring it to a public forum.

 

[Aaron]

How is it helping the family and women if the mother dies because the medical services that would have saved her have been eliminated?

Why is the life of an unborn fetus more important than the life of a living woman?

You, sir or madaam, are the one raging a war on women. A real one in which you fund and approve of the killing—no, the mutilation and slaughter of, to date, over 25 million girls.

You, sir or madaam, are a liar. De-funding planned parent-hood does NOT eliminate the availability of life-saving medical services. Planned Parenthood is about money. Money for the murder of little unborn girls.

What you are for is not the health of women, but for the sanctioned robbery of families who labor to be productive, and upstanding members of a society, for limiting their ability to provide for their own children, to whom they teach the moral necessity and rewards for keeping their knees together until marriage.

And more, you're not even good at the double-speak.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Actually I find C.T.Boy an excellent spokesman for the godless left. There has never been a poster here who can show us on a daily basis the depravity and the intellectual shallowness of the American liberal as effectively as him or her.


Excellent post, Aaron.

 

[Crabtownboy]

You, sir or madaam, are the one raging a war on women. A real one in which you fund and approve of the killing—no, the mutilation and slaughter of, to date, over 25 million girls.

I believe you have not read my posts carefully. I am against abortions, but I am also in favor of helping women remain healthy. To cut funding will result in the deaths of a number of poor women, poor mothers. Is it so terrible to want them to have health care and be healthy?

You, sir or madaam, are a liar. De-funding planned parent-hood does NOT eliminate the availability of life-saving medical services. Planned Parenthood is about money. Money for the murder of little unborn girls.

Again, I do not believe you are "read-up" on the topic. The State of Texas says they may well shut down the entire health care program for women.

What you are for is not the health of women, but for the sanctioned robbery of families who labor to be productive, and upstanding members of a society, for limiting their ability to provide for their own children, to whom they teach the moral necessity and rewards for keeping their knees together until marriage.

Again you obviously are responding from emotions and not from information.

I believe calling someone a liar simply because you do not agree with them is both extremely impolite and a board violation.

 

[revmwc]

You are twisting the truth here

The Republicans will shut down the entire program if the taxpayer funded abortions are not stopped. but they are only shutting down PP, not medicaid!!!! Women will still have medicaid to go to a private doctor.

And, yes, the will cut off medicaid money to PP but not to the other providers. Why are are you trying to project the lie that all care for women will cease without PP? Private doctors are available now...just not taxpayer funded abortions

Women will still have the same access to medical care as before...it just wont be through PP.

John

His attack is on the Republican party not anything else. It doesn't matter that the funding will be there even if PP isn't funded, the object is to get liberal socialist in office nothing else. The Democratic party of the 50's to the early sixties was loaded with conserv ative Democrats, they all died of and are extinct. The Democratict Socialist party is all that exist today. Not fiscal conservatives who want to protect our Republic from rule by the majority instead of rule by law. The thing the majority of Americans oppose government paid abortions but the Liberal Democratic Socialist party wants to ensure the right to terminate a pregnancy and they want the taxpayers to fund it so the attacks on the Republicans continues. Whatever issue they can use to scare people into voting for them that is what they will do, instead of common sense thinking that PP isn't the only avenue. Guess what if a woman wants to keep the baby PP advises her to abort, a private Doctor takes medicaid in order to help ensure the mother and child are both healthy, the Dems fail to let the people know as does the liberal bias press. Fox is supposed to be unbiased sounds like they are moving left now too.

 

[revmwc]

I believe you have not read my posts carefully. I am against abortions, but I am also in favor of helping women remain healthy. To cut funding will result in the deaths of a number of poor women, poor mothers. Is it so terrible to want them to have health care and be healthy?



Again, I do not believe you are "read-up" on the topic. The State of Texas says they may well shut down the entire health care program for women.



Again you obviously are responding from emotions and not from information.

I believe calling someone a liar simply because you do not agree with them is both extremely impolite and a board violation.

You have statistics to prove your claim that poor women, poor mothers will die? Please provide the statistics to backup that claim. Poor women can and do recive medicaid for pregnancy. Guess what if a woman in Texas has no insurance and is pregnant she is automatically covered by medicaid she cannot be denied coverage. Want to know how I know my daughter has had 3 children and had no insurance and was low income, all 3 pregnancies were covered by medicaid, do I like it no. I have 2 of my grandchildren covered on my group policy at work and I pay for a seperate policy for my daughter and the latest grand baby why because it should be up to the family to help take care of them, that is the christian thing to do. Many poor women have no family or the family can't afford to help that is where medicaid steps in and covers the children. So not funding PP abortion mills is not going to make poor women die nor their children. Stop pushing the propaganda of the Dmeocratic Socialist leberals and check the facts for yourself.

 

[mandym]

Appeals court gives Texas reprieve after ruling against Planned Parenthood cut-off R

The Texas attorney general has convinced a federal appeals judge to examine whether the state has a right to deny funding to Planned Parenthood.

Judge Jerry Smith granted the state an emergency stay less than 24 hours after a federal judge in Austin ordered Texas not to enforce a law banning Planned Parenthood from participating in the Women's Health Program.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...parenthood-cut/?test=latestnews#ixzz1tdSShgrU

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Again, I do not believe you are "read-up" on the topic. The State of Texas says they may well shut down the entire health care program for women.

I'd like to see you try and prove this.

 

[mandym]

From the op:

Texas officials have said that if the state is forced to include Planned Parenthood, they will likely shut down the program that serves basic health care and contraception to 130,000 poor women. Yeakel acknowledged that was a risk.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/30/federal-judge-stops-texas-law-on-women-health/#ixzz1tdVYUl25

 

[Crabtownboy]

I'd like to see you try and prove this.

I am glad you asked .......

exas Governor Rick Perry and some Republican lawmakers have said they would rather eliminate the women's healthcare program entirely than direct money to Planned Parenthood clinics.

Read more on Newsmax.com: Judge Halts Texas Ban on Planned Parenthood Funding

 

[mandym]

So here is a good question, fund an organization that kills unborn children and keep the other programs or get rid of it all. Are all the other programs important enough to justify giving government funds to an organization that kills unborn children? Because you cannot separate the two.

 

[Don]

So here is a good question, fund an organization that kills unborn children and keep the other programs or get rid of it all. Are all the other programs important enough to justify giving government funds to an organization that kills unborn children? Because you cannot divorce the two.

In other words, and what I haven't seen said here: The only choices we're being given are, allow the murder of unborn children, or take away all healthcare for women.

Sounds like healthcare for women is being held hostage, in order to allow abortions.

And the hostage taker is NOT the republican Texas government....

 

[revmwc]

So here is a good question, fund an organization that kills unborn children and keep the other programs or get rid of it all. Are all the other programs important enough to justify giving government funds to an organization that kills unborn children? Because you cannot separate the two.

No the DEM's want to fund abortion and let the elderly and handicapped die because the funds that could be used to take care of the elderly and handicapped must now be sent to planned parenthood so babies can die. It's that simple for the Dems kill babies with money that could be used to help the elderly and handicapped let those folks die so abortion can continue. DEMs want to kill everyone just so their programs can continue. Raise taxes on the middle class so they can keep programs going, those rich fat cat dems will make sure they have the loopholes to not pay higher taxes.

 

[mandym]

In other words, and what I haven't seen said here: The only choices we're being given are, allow the murder of unborn children, or take away all healthcare for women.

Sounds like healthcare for women is being held hostage, in order to allow abortions.

And the hostage taker is NOT the republican Texas government....

That is the way it appears and of course is the Democrat MO for obtaining the agenda goals. But maybe there are more options and Crabby can enlighten us since we are all unread on the issue.

 

[Crabtownboy]

In other words, and what I haven't seen said here: The only choices we're being given are, allow the murder of unborn children, or take away all healthcare for women.

Sounds like healthcare for women is being held hostage, in order to allow abortions.

And the hostage taker is NOT the republican Texas government....

Sorry Don, but it is the Texas Republican government that is holding women hostage in this one. They are the ones who say all healthcare for women will be cut ... not the Federal government.

Many seem to believe that all Planned Parenthood does is fund abortions. This is not true. Only 3% of funds spent by Planned Parenthood are in abortion services. I am not using that as a defense for abortions, but for information.

• Percentage of Planned Parenthood health care clients
• age 20 and older: 80
• with incomes at or below 150 percent of the federal poverty level: 76
• who receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy: 76
• who receive abortion services: 11
• Estimated number of unintended pregnancies averted by Planned Parenthood contraceptive services each year: 584,000
• Estimated number of abortions averted by Planned Parenthood contraceptive services each year: 277,000
• Percentage of all Planned Parenthood health services that are contraceptive services: 34
• Percentage of all Planned Parenthood health services that are abortion services: 3
• Percentage increase in Planned Parenthood men clients from 2000 to 2010: 105
• Visits to www.plannedparenthood.org each year: 33 million
• Number of Planned Parenthood activists, supporters, and donors: more than 6,000,000
• Percentage of Planned Parenthood annual expenses ($1,029,700,000) spent on client services, education, and research: 83

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf

 

[mandym]

Sorry Don, but it is the Texas Republican government that is holding women hostage in this one. They are the ones who say all healthcare for women will be cut ... not the Federal government.

Apparently you are now the one who is unread on this issue. The truth is either fund an organization that kills unborn children or stop the other healthcare provisions for women. This is a crime against humanity and a clear atrocity in America. The fact that folks like yourself want to ignore that PP kills unborn children and obfuscate the issue with other issues is ungodly.

Now let's face some facts. If the abortions were not provided by PP then there would be no desire to cut the finding for the other issues. But the left has attached the other women's health issues to an abortion provider so as to protect the provision of abortions. It is a dirty rotten trick and you should be ashamed of yourself. And it does not matter how many or how few abortions are done by PP. One single abortions is far to many to godly Christians.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Now let's face some facts. If the abortions were not provided by PP then there would be no desire to cut the finding for the other issues. But the left has attached the other women's health issues to an abortion provider so as to protect the provision of abortions. It is a dirty rotten trick and you should be ashamed of yourself. And it does not matter how many or how few abortions are done by PP. One single abortions is far to many to godly Christians.

The health of women are put at risk by closing the program. Are these women of no value? I am not arguing for abortions, but for the health of women.

You say one abortion is too many. So you mean all abortions, including those where if they were not performed both the mother and fetus would die as in ectopic pregnancies?

What about the lives of hundreds of thousands of women ... mostly poor women? What is their right to life? Do you favor the death of both the mother and fetus over saving the mother's life. In an ectopic pregnancy the fetus will surely die regardless, but the mother's life can be saved. Is that, in your opinion, an acceptable reason for an abortion?

 

[mandym]

The health of women are put at risk by closing the program. Are these women of no value? I am not arguing for abortions, but for the health of women.

This is an easy fix. Provide funds in another format for these other programs. Tying the health of women to abortions this way is a dirty, lowdown, political trick and everyone can see right through it.

 

[targus]

Why does Crabby believe that the Texas legislature is incapable of passing a bill to create an alternative progam to serve these same women which will pass the scrutiny of the court should it rule against them?

Why is this being presented as the "only" possible system?