Texas Republicans Continue War on Women's Health

[Crabtownboy]

This is an easy fix. Provide funds in another format for these other programs. Tying the health of women to abortions this way is a dirty, lowdown, political trick and everyone can see right through it.

You are arguing hypothetically and I am trying to discuss the real world as it is being proposed in Texas ... and possibly other states. The health of women will always in one way or another be tied to abortions, i.e. always in an ectopic pregnancy.

Do you agree that an abortion is preferable in an ectopic pregnancy instead of the death of both the mother and fetus? There are those who argue that the mother should not be allowed a choice of abortion and life for herself in such a pregnancy.

 

[mandym]

Why does Crabby believe that the Texas legislature is incapable of passing a bill to create an alternative progam to serve these same women which will pass the scrutiny of the court should it rule against them?

Why is this being presented as the "only" possible system?

This way abortion can be protected without admitting to it.

 

[TCassidy]

It is really a shame that a supposed Christian supports the War on Women as well as the genocide of African Americans.

Since Roe v. Wade almost 30 million women have been murdered by abortion.

PP was organized for the purposes of genocide of the "mud races" in the US according to its founder Margaret Sanger. And that has come to pass. African Americans make up 13% of the US population but 36% of abortions. The most dangerous place in America is a black woman's womb.

Since Roe v. Wade (1973) about:

204,000 blacks have died from AIDS.
306,000 blacks have died from violent crime.
370,000 blacks have died in accidents.
1,638,350 blacks have died from cancer.
2,266,789 blacks have died from heart disease.
13,000,000 blacks have been aborted.

And Crabtownboy supports this racist genocide? How utterly sad.

 

[Crabtownboy]

It is really a shame that a supposed Christian supports the War on Women as well as the genocide of African Americans.

Since Roe v. Wade almost 30 million women have been murdered by abortion.

PP was organized for the purposes of genocide of the "mud races" in the US according to its founder Margaret Sanger. And that has come to pass. African Americans make up 13% of the US population but 36% of abortions. The most dangerous place in America is a black woman's womb.

Since Roe v. Wade (1973) about:

204,000 blacks have died from AIDS.
306,000 blacks have died from violent crime.
370,000 blacks have died in accidents.
1,638,350 blacks have died from cancer.
2,266,789 blacks have died from heart disease.
13,000,000 blacks have been aborted.

And Crabtownboy supports this racist genocide? How utterly sad.

I do not see the connection you seem to be trying to make. I believe funding should be made available for all these people. Republicans and Tea Party folk do not want these health issues funded. One of the few things that G. Bush did that I agreed with was increased funding for AIDS.

You logic of Roe v Wade being tied to death from AIDS, violent crime, etc. escapes me. It is like saying because there are apples there are rocks ... there is no connection that I can see.

It is Republicans who want to cut health services to the poor ... both to poor men and to poor women.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I am glad you asked .......

That proved nothing. You need to prove women will have no health care without Planned parenthood.

 

[TCassidy]

I do not see the connection you seem to be trying to make. I believe funding should be made available for all these people. Republicans and Tea Party folk do not want these health issues funded. One of the few things that G. Bush did that I agreed with was increased funding for AIDS.

You logic of Roe v Wade being tied to death from AIDS, violent crime, etc. escapes me. It is like saying because there are apples there are rocks ... there is no connection that I can see.

It is Republicans who want to cut health services to the poor ... both to poor men and to poor women.

SNIP But even a moron can see that I did not tie AIDS, violence etc. to Roe v. Wade. I CONTRASTED the FACT that, of all the things blacks die from, ABORTION is the #1 killer of African Americans!

Republicans DO NOT want to cut health care for women. It is Obamacare that cuts ALL preventive health care. The Republicans DON'T WANT TO FUND THE GENOCIDE OF AFRICAN AMERICANS. PP doesn't do health care. They do abortions! STOP THE GENOCIDE OF WOMEN AND AFRICAN AMERICANS!

 

[TCassidy]

The Right may be wrong, but,
The Left is stupid!

 

[mandym]

Republicans and Tea Party folk do not want these health issues funded.

We can see you are unread on this issue as this is not the truth.They do not want abortion, which has been attached quite dishonestly, to these other issues.

 

[revmwc]

I do not see the connection you seem to be trying to make. I believe funding should be made available for all these people. Republicans and Tea Party folk do not want these health issues funded. One of the few things that G. Bush did that I agreed with was increased funding for AIDS.

You logic of Roe v Wade being tied to death from AIDS, violent crime, etc. escapes me. It is like saying because there are apples there are rocks ... there is no connection that I can see.

It is Republicans who want to cut health services to the poor ... both to poor men and to poor women.

Right now the OP is about cutting funds to aBortion Incorporated better known as PP. Nothing about them is about parenthood if it were then they would seperate out the abortion portion as a seperate funding issue and the funds would go directly to planing parenthood. The are an abortion mill the DEM's want them funded, to that other groups will suffer such as the elderly and handicapped which the Republicans will gladly fund. The DEMs on the other hand would just as soon let the elderly and handicapped die rather than see PP go unfunded that is a shame. When are the DEM's going to be compassionate to the elderly and handicapped what was it 3 years no cost of living raise on their SS and SSI but they wanted money for PP. Seems like the Republicans being the majority in congress brought an increase "Monthly Social Security and Supplemental Security Income (SSI) benefits for more than 60 million Americans will increase 3.6 percent in 2012." Last increase was 2009 when the DEM's controlled both houses and Mr. Obama became president. The DEM's are against the elderly and handicapped look at their record, yet they want to point fingers at the Republicans for not wanting to fund abortion and liberals trying to force them too.


BTW are those on SS and SSI poor?

Yet the Republican congress gave them a Cost of Living Raise how is that against the poor?

Check the SS facts here:

http://www.ssa.gov/cola/

 

[freeatlast]

If you are a woman, especially a poor woman, do not move to Texas.

I agree. We are sick and tired of carrying you.

 

[mandym]

You are arguing hypothetically

Uh no I'm not. The left has intentionally tied these other services to abortion so as to use it as a tool to keep providing for unlimited abortion.

and I am trying to discuss the real world as it is being proposed in Texas ...

No your not you are giving us DNC talking points which avoid the real issue here which is PP provides unlimited abortion for any reason the woman wants. We need not send them any money.

and possibly other states. The health of women will always in one way or another be tied to abortions, i.e. always in an ectopic pregnancy.

Informal fallacy here.

 

[TCassidy]

Time for a reality check, Crabtownboy. It is not the Republicans who are waging war on women. It is the Democrats!

Read the following FACTS:
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/04/30/republicans-and-womens-rights

 

[TCassidy]

Another reality check. The REAL Planned Parenthood:

http://www.nrlc.org/Factsheets/FS02_PlannedParenthood.pdf

 

[Don]

For all, but especially for CTB - the withdrawn funding DOES NOT prevent Planned Parenthood from providing services in Texas. It means that Planned Parenthood will not be reimbursed for those services.

Understand fully what that means: If women's health care is important enough, Planned Parenthood will continue providing it -- free of charge, taking the cost out of their profit line.

If Planned Parenthood refuses to provide free health care, then how do you answer that?

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Now, let's look at CTB's hypothetical about ectopic pregnancies. First off, it's estimated that there are around 6 million pregancies each year. Of these, 64,000 may be an ectopic pregnancy (that's 1.1%, or one out of 94, for those that like statistics). How are ectopic pregnancies treated? About half of all ectopic pregnancies resolve without treatment (miscarriage). That now drops the percentage to .5%, or 1 in 188. If treatment is required, depending on how far into the pregnancy, drugs first; laparospic surgery under general anesthesthia; or emergency surgery if the fallopian tube has burst. Planned Parenthood can issue the drug if the condition is diagnosed early enough; it is unclear whether PP will perform the laparoscopic surgery, but seeing as it requires general anesthesia and a possible hospital stay, it's unlikely; and PP cannot perform the emergency procedure.

In other words, using ectopic pregnancy as an excuse to continue to reimburse Planned Parenthood requires that you ignore: that statistically, you won't see this situation (not saying it doesn't happen, just that it's rare); that reimbursing PP really only reimburses their purchase of the abortion drug; and that other programs, such as Medicare/Medicaid cover the cost of the surgical requirements which PP doesn't provide.

At this point, I expect CTB to not answer, as he usually disappears after being given statistics that don't support his personal world view.

 

[Don]

BTW: as previously stated, typical ectopic pregnancies end in miscarriage. The typical abortion supporter argument is that these pregnancies can kill the mother; while they are serious, and this is a concern, the statistics again don't support the argument (WHO statistics show that ectopic pregnancies account for approximately 2.5% of maternal deaths world-wide; induced abortion, on the other hand, account for approximately 6.7%, more than twice that of ectopic pregnancies).

Not to mention that there are several cases of ectopic pregnancies going full term and resulting in live birth, with no harm to mother or baby.

 

[carpro]

This has got to be a joke. Texas posted the highest private-sector job growth of any of the 50 states, and the unemployment rate is 7.1%


I don't know why a Christian would encourage someone to live off the fed. I would encourage anyone looking for work to check it out, down there. But C.T.Boy is right. If yer looking to start 6 generations of welfare families, Texas might not be the place to go.

There you have it. People like CTB are out of place here.

Freeloaders aren't welcome.

Abortion providers can stay away.

 

[OldRegular]

How can cutting non-abortion services to 130,000 poor women not be considered an act against women. No more cancer screenings for these women, no more medical advice, no more medical help? How is this not against women and especially poor women?

You say you are pro life, what about the lives of these women, some of whom will die because services are not available to them?

You are parroting the leftist line Crabtownboy and are wrong again as usual! Money is fungible. Any money given to Planned Parenthood will be used to fund abortions and that is a fact. It is also a fact that Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, was a devotee of eugenics, just like Hitler. Of course Obama believed it was okay to kill "just born children" and fought against a bill prohibiting this practice in the Illinois Senate. So Crabtownboy you are in fine company!:tear::tear::tear:

 

[OldRegular]

The Republican controlled state government says they will shut down the entire program if necessary. That will cut out all services to these women.

There are others who are pushing for the State to fund the program as they say it will cost more to shut it down than to continue it.

This aborturary cannot be closed since it is a private organization.

 

[OldRegular]

I believe you have not read my posts carefully. I am against abortions, but I am also in favor of helping women remain healthy. To cut funding will result in the deaths of a number of poor women, poor mothers. Is it so terrible to want them to have health care and be healthy?]

You are making a typical argument used by Christians who support abortion, namely: I am against abortion BUT!!!!!!!!!!!

The following is taken from a website of the largest provider of abortion in the country.

http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion/in-clinic-abortion-procedures-4359.asp

In-Clinic Abortion Procedures at a Glance

Medical procedures that end pregnancy
Safe and effective
Available from many Planned Parenthood health centers
Costs about $300–$950 in the first trimester
Thinking about abortion? FIND A HEALTH CENTER

A woman has many decisions to make when considering abortion. If you're thinking about abortion, your health care provider may talk with you about a few different abortion methods. You may be offered the option to have an in-clinic abortion procedure, which is the kind of abortion discussed on this page. Or you may be offered the abortion pill.

Whether you’re thinking about having an in-clinic abortion, you’re concerned about a woman who may be having one, or you’re someone who’s just curious about abortion methods, you may have many questions. Here are some of the most common questions we hear women ask about in-clinic abortions. We hope you find the answers helpful. And if you’re thinking of having an in-clinic abortion procedure, we hope they help you decide what is best for you.

If you are under 18, your state may require one or both of your parents to give permission for your abortion or be told of your decision prior to the abortion. However, in most states you can ask a judge to excuse you from these requirements. Learn more about parental consent for abortion.

The sympathy of this abortionist just oozes from the above. "Give me $500 plus and I will kill your baby!" Murder for hire and Crabtownboy waxes sentimental over the plight of PP: "Unborn children, fetus is the preferred name by the abortionist, be damned, and their mothers!"

May God forgive any Christian who favors, condones, or supports abortion in any way. I have nothing but contempt for them! Unlike the pagans they have been exposed to the truth.

That being said, it is ironic that the Hippocratic Oath, a pagan oath, forbids Medical doctors from practicing abortion. I would point out than many reproductions of the Hippocratic Oath in this country remove the prohibition on abortion from the wording. I had the opportunity to point that out to a doctor some time back.

 

[OldRegular]

Time for a reality check, Crabtownboy. It is not the Republicans who are waging war on women. It is the Democrats!

Read the following FACTS:
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/04/30/republicans-and-womens-rights

Please TCassidy, don't confuse Crabtownboy with the facts!