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Texas talking about leaving the USA
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I understand, and for my part I also have very little tolerance for political stances hijacking the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I believe that the gospel is not a tool for any party (not even the GOP).
The fact is that people will always be led astray by the affairs of this world. This is what Jesus taught. Some will abandon the gospel of the Kingdom of God to follow political agendas that will never solve the problems of the World.
Some may say that the GOP is more godly than the DNC. Others may say that the DNC is more godly than the GOP. It does not matter because the one's doing the talking are all of the world, not of Christ.
The Attorney General is going to be indicted for crimes he has allegedly committed. He is desperately attempting to avoid his sentencing. He is hoping that President Trump will pardon him so he doesn't face justice. What the AG is doing should be scorned by all people.
Glad to hear.
I will just end with that I do not believe that the Gospel of the Kingdom of God and working to solve the problems of the world are mutually exclusive.
Your premise that God takes down nations that limit Jewish immigration is obviously historically flawed from the counter example of US history. The United States would not allow much Jewish immigration after 1924, and turned away hundreds of thousands of Jews fleeing Nazi-controlled areas. For a concrete example of these policies in action, you can look to the case of the M.S. St. Louis. Yet the US came out of the World War II era stronger and more influential than any other nation on earth.
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...after becoming a liberator of Jews as well as an even larger haven for Jews.
Where in the scripture does it say that God established the original colonies in the Americas or the government of the United States, and that it was "a political safeguard" for Christians? That is a very selective reading of history with a lot of theological assumptions baked in.
Where in scripture does it say that God established the political state of Israel in the 20th century?
The only Christian nation that exists is the present and future Kingdom of God (see 1 Peter 2:9), and Jesus is very clear about the difference between the Kingdom of God and the kingdoms/governments of this present age:
John 18:36-37
Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.” Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I came into the world—to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.”
Jesus replied, “My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting to keep me from being handed over to the Jewish authorities. But as it is, my kingdom is not from here.” Then Pilate said, “So you are a king!” Jesus replied, “You say that I am a king. For this reason I was born, and for this reason I came into the world—to testify to the truth. Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.”
(1) We must not confuse earthly political structures with what God is doing. (2) Neither the Democratic or Republican Parties represent the Kingdom of God. Aspects of both have surface similarities to things Christians should support, but we make our earthly political decisions knowing that human governance is always significantly flawed. (3) The foundation to being a Christian and to faithful and constructive engagement with the world is to be truthful, no matter if it harms our political party or helps it. And we should always prophetically speak against the promulgation of falsehoods by religious or political leaders, and our sisters and brothers in Christ. If we are characterized by gullibility and untruthfulness, we bring Jesus into disrepute and undermine what God is doing in the world. If we knowingly persist in perpetuating falsehoods for our candidates, or to "stick it to the libs/conservatives," we are actively rejecting Jesus and we need to consider whether or not we are in the faith:
Colossians 3:8-10
But now, put off all such things as anger, rage, malice, slander, abusive language from your mouth. Do not lie to one another since you have put off the old man with its practices and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it.
But now, put off all such things as anger, rage, malice, slander, abusive language from your mouth. Do not lie to one another since you have put off the old man with its practices and have been clothed with the new man that is being renewed in knowledge according to the image of the one who created it.
The First Amendment recognizes the right of free speech and religious liberty, so that would be unconstitutional. A church will only run into trouble with the government if it begins to campaign for specific candidates, and the church should worry much more about their grave sin against God for doing that than the US government.
Again, the First Amendment is at play here. However, if you have a congregation of any size, you already have persons who experience same-sex attraction in your congregation. Moreover, as a Christian, I would be delighted if God entrusted more LGBTQ+ persons to our fellowship. If the gospel is not "good news" to people dealing with significant issues in their sexual/gender orientation, it is not good news to anyone. God can handle the messy stuff and His church is specifically called to minister to those who are troubled.
The First Amendment handles all of this stuff. You seem to be ruled by fear. Even if the First Amendment didn't provide protections, we will still be okay even in the midst of persecution.
If American Christians are ever truly persecuted, you won't have to tell us.
Here's something to consider since we are on Baptistboard, Baptists were often persecuted in Colonial America. That's one of the driving reasons for the First Amendment.
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Without exception, none of the countries you mentioned were ever democracies, nor had full religious freedom. So we are not starting from the same place.
Unless the nation is overthrown or the citizens severely rewrite the Constitution, we will not become like those nations.
Yes, but not just the United States. The Soviets, the British, and French also helped, especially the Soviets, since so many camps were in Eastern Europe. My own mother's family (although not Jewish) was liberated by the Red Army in Poland.
So the dissolution of the British Empire after World War II goes against the stated premise, and the Soviet Union was certainly not blessed of God during the post-war years.
The historical premise is faulty. It only seems to make sense because it only presents information that supports the premise.
Typical response from a black religious person. Oh yes, you are baptist, and a site supporter. Shame you don't wear the name Christian. I don't mind discussing these things with you if you and others can take it. Can you? Or is this just a way to get me banned again?
In other words, are you being used like most blacks are? Forty acres and a mule. Vote for me and you get everything. I was wondering how long it took you to respond.
Well, if God didn't establish the original colonies in America...who did? Please tell me. If you are up to it.
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My view is if Texas want's to leave the Union then let them. Let's see how they fare as a "sovereign nation" without any Federal support. Too many states are "let's revolt" when things don't go their way. Perhaps letting Texas be an example can serve as an example. So not only let them leave, but kick them out at their request. And when they come back whining dive them up into three states.
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You are mistaken about BaptistBeliever. He is not of African descent.
You don’t need help getting banned. Your posts speak volumes.
peace to you
Ouch!!
You are judging my words based on your assumption that I'm black instead of the content of the words. Did you notice I quoted a lot of scripture? Why don't you actually engage with the argument instead of attacking me?
I'm not black. I am pale white, of Austrian and English ancestry. My avatar is of Daryl Davis, a man I greatly admire who befriends white supremacists and builds bridges that transform the people he interacts with.
Why should you be shocked to encounter a Baptist on a site called "Baptistboard?" It's like being shocked to find horses at a rodeo.
What provoked that lie?
The most charitable conclusion I can come up with is that you think I selected the category underneath "Faith:" below my avatar. Since non-Baptists are not allowed to engage in certain sections of the site, that is something that the Administrator of the site initiated well over 20 years ago. I have only been here 18 years or so, so I have nothing to do with it. Moreover, I am not an administrator or moderator, so I don't even have a say as to how things are run.
I am a disciple of Jesus.
I can certainly "take it," but you need to know that I reject all that revisionist American "history" promoted by people like David Barton, Peter Marshall, D. James Kennedy, etc., that undergirds so-called "Christian nationalism." The reason I reject it is that it is false. I have studied history -- it is one of my passions -- and I have specifically studied the development and growth of religious liberty from the days of the early church to present day in a graduate course. We read primary documents and paid special attention to the religious situation in the American colonies and the development and implementation of the separation of church and state. So we can have a discussion, but I will require that you quote primary sources AND that we take it to another thread so we don't hijack this one.
People around here rarely get banned unless they deserve it. I don't knowingly have any history with you, nor am I trying to get anyone banned.
You really seem to have a low opinion of black people. If nothing else, you certainly enjoy stereotyping them.
I am not on here very often and it was the first time to see this thread.
If you are referring to the 13 original colonies that formed the United States, then it was mostly various men and women under the authority of the English crown, taking the property from Native Americans. In contrast, Roger Williams purchased the land for Rhode Island from the Native Americans, and then sought for a charter from the English crown to politically protect his new colony from the leadership of other colonies, especially the Massachusetts Bay Colony. It was in Rhode Island that Roger Williams first established religious liberty through the institutional separation of church and state.
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