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Thank You for Your Prayers, I Have Left IHOPKC, I Have Lost My so-called "Spiritual Gifts"

BobRyan

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As a man who has had many successful prophecies myself while in the New Apostolic Reformation, I would say that the abilities I had were from Satan. Yes, they were powerful seemingly supernatural things, but they did not work according to what the bible tells me.

I mean why would God give me the gift of prophecy but keep me acting like a fortune-teller while giving me an invitation to be in a new movement of the "Spirit" that will be unlike anything in history. .

And once you fully understood that the so-called gift-of-tongues you had was not the one described as authentic in the Bible - how then would it be.. how could it be.. that your gift of prophecy would be "legit" given that those supposed messages "From God" never informed you (and so - spared you) from the error in regard to tongues that you finally had to discover on your own.
 

BobRyan

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I have learned a great many things over the years one is to fallow. Lesson and obey. I am old. Been there and done that. I am a son and not a hiring and my job is not to serve the church. It is to obey God in what ever he ask of me. One day that may be go encourage this minster. Once he has me go pray for the healing a 80 year old minster, I did. He was healed. Once he told me to put a 1 once silver bar into a offering at church. I did they next week he gave me a 1500 dollar a week Job. Pays to obey the leadership of the Holy Spirit. My pastor learned something that day. I gave my pastors wife a word of Knowledge once, about being a grandmother. it is 3 years later and today she has 4 grand children. Once he put a man with cancer on my mind and i prayed for 4 hours and went and healed him. That was all God. It has never been about us it is about him. But if you do not humble yourself he came never use you. If he is not your weakness then he is not your strength.
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Nothing you have said in that post would indicate that the gifts are false.

That is an example of a claim that could be true - but would need more information.
 

robycop3

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1 Cor 12 and Ephesians 4 (and 1 Cor 14) tell us that spiritual gifts are real.

But as we see in the case of the Messiah - there were false Messiahs and there was the real Messiah.

The fact that the doctrine on the Messiah - was real -- did not preclude there being false Messiahs.

At the same time "the solution" could never be "ok well fine then -- just reject everyone who claims to be the Messiah". Such an over-simplified solution would have been fatal had you lived at the time of Christ and applied that flawed rule to "the carpenter from Nazareth".

Being both Spirit filled and Spirit lead where all doctrine is test by the Bible - was the only course of safety at the time of John the baptizer - and is still the only path of safety.

1 Cor 14 and Acts 2 are very clear that "tongues are a sign to unbelievers" and are the ability to speak a foreign language unknown to yourself prior to receiving that gift.

The Seven-Day-Adlibbers are as much a cult as IHOP is, what with their false doctrines of annihilation of the souls of the wicked, "investigative judgment", that one isn't saved if one doesn't speak in tongues, & their following the hooey of the false prophet Ellen White. Please don't leap from the frying pan into the fire, Steven!

Yes, you should reject anyone claiming to be the Messiah now. The REAL Messiah will return in great power & glory as He said. His return will be seen by EVERYONE; there'll be no doubt of who He is.

Spiritual gifts? A Christian may receive some supernatural gifts or he/she may not. Not ALL gifts of the Holy Spirit are supernatural. I believe He empowers preachers to preach, teachers to teach, pastors to "shepherd", treasurers to have financial ability, the groundskeeper, the ability to do his/her job well.

Stick with what the BIBLE teaches, & you'll do well!
 

Steven Yeadon

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The Seven-Day-Adlibbers are as much a cult as IHOP is, what with their false doctrines of annihilation of the souls of the wicked, "investigative judgment", that one isn't saved if one doesn't speak in tongues, & their following the hooey of the false prophet Ellen White. Please don't leap from the frying pan into the fire, Steven!

Yes, you should reject anyone claiming to be the Messiah now. The REAL Messiah will return in great power & glory as He said. His return will be seen by EVERYONE; there'll be no doubt of who He is.

Spiritual gifts? A Christian may receive some supernatural gifts or he/she may not. Not ALL gifts of the Holy Spirit are supernatural. I believe He empowers preachers to preach, teachers to teach, pastors to "shepherd", treasurers to have financial ability, the groundskeeper, the ability to do his/her job well.

Stick with what the BIBLE teaches, & you'll do well!

Not to worry, Adventism has nothing tempting me to go that path.

I would say that any enhancement of their ability to teach or serve or preach is in fact a supernatural boost by the Holy Spirit, even if our culture refused to see such. I do know what you are talking about though.
 

robycop3

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Not to worry, Adventism has nothing tempting me to go that path.

I would say that any enhancement of their ability to teach or serve or preach is in fact a supernatural boost by the Holy Spirit, even if our culture refused to see such. I do know what you are talking about though.

that's good. We should all remember that Satan has a "scratch" for every "itching ear".
 

Yeshua1

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True.

And all agree that the disciples of Christ listened to and were to obey - the teaching of Christ
And all agree that the NT church followed the teaching of Christ and of NT authors such as Paul.

But all do not agree that God deleted gifts such as the gift of prophesy - contrary to the teaching of Paujl in 1 Cor 14:1 and Ephesians 4
The office of the Apostle/Prophecy ceased after death of John, so EW does not qualify!
 

Yeshua1

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Remember that the maj
Not to worry, Adventism has nothing tempting me to go that path.

I would say that any enhancement of their ability to teach or serve or preach is in fact a supernatural boost by the Holy Spirit, even if our culture refused to see such. I do know what you are talking about though.
or purpose in this life will be to exalt Jesus Christ and glorify Him, so ANY church that claims to have miracles/healings, revelations, or prophetess, would be one that is focusing away from Jesus and back on themselves, and the Spirit glorifies Jesus!
 
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