The Abomination Of Desolation

[Cathode]

I am glad we can disagree on this and remain civil. Scripture is inspired, but our interpretations of Scripture are not. I must admit that I do wonder when governments talk about putting a chip into the hands of their citizens so they can prove they have been vaccinated against COVID-19. I could not obey such a command, as it's too similar to the mark of the beast in Revelation.

3 years ago we were decrying the Chinese social credit system of total and technological control over its population.
We saw Chinese using their phones taking pictures of a strange QR mark outside every building and QR codes on every item they purchased. All of this information on movement and purchases is sent to central data banks and scrutinised by algorithms which determine whether your social credit rating as a citizen is raised of lowered. Some Chinese dissidents are now locked down in their own homes, their low social credit score prevents them from catching a bus or train or buy normal food items.

They stay at home and eat gruel, and even friends and family members that associate or help them have their social credit score destroyed, putting them in the same predicament.
They may well ask the question “ Who can fight the Beast?”

Now we have seamlessly and without much fuss adopted this technology on most places in the western world and on earth.
Covid 19 was the pretext for mandates, vaccine passports, lockdowns, mass destruction of small business and countless job losses. The elderly isolated from grandchildren and dying alone and afraid in huge numbers. Priests and pastors arrested for having services, censorship and authoritarianism.

As these controls become global we can see a beast of a system being established where control is not even at a national level but centralised elsewhere.
All we need after these variant plagues is famine ( as the supply chain is getting worse, it’s more likely ) with food being offered as wages at some point, if you are marked in the system. Then a glorious world leader pokes his head out to solve the world’s problems.

Look at the recurring themes in scripture, look how evil establishes itself in every age, look at the commonality between them, then look around you in this present day.

 

[robycop3]

The idea that they had already been fulfilled had never occurred to me until around 15 years ago. However, I was willing to look into the claims of Preterism. If I had been as good a student of history as you are, I would have known about the Jewish Wars and the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70 long ago. As it was, I only learned of this history as I studied the claims of Preterism. I was surprised to learn that the prophecies about the AOD, the Beast and the Great Tribulation were judgment on Israel. Furthermore, I learned that Jesus only "came" in the sense that He brought judgment on Israel. This is similar to how God "came" in judgment on nations in the Old Testament. After a lot of prayer and extensive study of prophecies, I realized the claims of Preterism are true.

The subject of this thread is the AOD, so I will make one more point. When talking to His disciples about these events, including the AOD, He made a reference to Daniel's prophecies. Jesus described how the one who studies Daniel will recognize the AOD. When we compare Daniel 11:31 with Luke 21:20, we see this literally fulfilled. Furthermore, when we compare Luke 21:20 with Matthew 24:15, we see this is about the same thing. When I compared Scripture with Scripture, it all became clear.

I studied the Jewish wars years ago, from the first rebellion to the last battle at Masada in 73 AD. They were the fulfillment of the "days of vengeance" that Jesus had decreed against that generation of Jews. in which everything that had been written against the Jews UP TO THE TIME WHEN JESUS MADE THE PRONOUNCEMENT came to pass. Sure, it was a great punishment & tragedy to the Jews to lose the temple, but nothing like the great trib occurred then. After that, the Jews worshipped in local synagogues as they do today.

There was another war in 117 AD in which the Jews in outlying lands took part when the Parthians warred against Rome. Those Jews sided with the Parthians. with a great many people on both sides being killed & the last part of this war fought in Judea.

Finally came the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132 AD, which resulted in the Romans under Hadrian expelling the Jews from Judea & giving the land to the Philistines.("Palestinian" is Latin for "Philistine".) This was the beginning of over 1900 years of punishment against the Jews; they were hated & persecuted wherever they went for a long time. This punishment culminated in the nazi holocaust, in which some 6 million out of a world populstion of 13 million Jews were killed. When the nazis fell, the punishment was finally lifted, & more & more Jews began occupying their own land. Syndicates of wealthy Jews bought much of the land from its Arab possessors.

And I read Daniel very closely, in both old & new Bible versions for a broad overview, and I understand what the forst AOD was-a statue of Zeus set up in the temple by Antiochus Epiphanes, and the act of sacrificing a pig upon the altar. That's because Daniel wrote the AOD was to be both placed & set up in the sanctuary.(temple)

Now, nothing like that ever happened again in that temple before it was destroyed, so Jesus' words must be fulfilled in a new temple. If you do some Googling, you'll find the Jews have all the materials and instruments gathered to swiftly build a new temple, & are breeding the animals to be used in temple rites. (They imported a good deal of marble from the USA.) The only thing holding them back is they don't wanna start WW3.

An earlier attempt to build a new temple in 363 AD was stopped by natural phenomena such as an earthquake, and fire coming from the ground, as the quake had cracked open a pocket of natural gas. It simply wasn't God's time for it yet. But when the beast is here, or shortly before his manifestation, it will be built. And the AOD prophesied by Jesus will occur in it. it'll consist of the beast occupying it, stopping the sacrifices, placing & setting up a statue of himself in it, & declaring himself God. Then, WATCH OUT! That very day, he will send his forces out to kill every Christian, or anyone else not worshipping him or refusing to take his mark. Then, the great trib will begin very shortly.

 

[Lodic]

3 years ago we were decrying the Chinese social credit system of total and technological control over its population.
We saw Chinese using their phones taking pictures of a strange QR mark outside every building and QR codes on every item they purchased. All of this information on movement and purchases is sent to central data banks and scrutinised by algorithms which determine whether your social credit rating as a citizen is raised of lowered. Some Chinese dissidents are now locked down in their own homes, their low social credit score prevents them from catching a bus or train or buy normal food items.

They stay at home and eat gruel, and even friends and family members that associate or help them have their social credit score destroyed, putting them in the same predicament.
They may well ask the question “ Who can fight the Beast?”

Now we have seamlessly and without much fuss adopted this technology on most places in the western world and on earth.
Covid 19 was the pretext for mandates, vaccine passports, lockdowns, mass destruction of small business and countless job losses. The elderly isolated from grandchildren and dying alone and afraid in huge numbers. Priests and pastors arrested for having services, censorship and authoritarianism.

As these controls become global we can see a beast of a system being established where control is not even at a national level but centralised elsewhere.
All we need after these variant plagues is famine ( as the supply chain is getting worse, it’s more likely ) with food being offered as wages at some point, if you are marked in the system. Then a glorious world leader pokes his head out to solve the world’s problems.

Look at the recurring themes in scripture, look how evil establishes itself in every age, look at the commonality between them, then look around you in this present day.

It's definitely scary. I have to admit that the controls, mandates, etc. that governments impose are what the "mark of the Beast" would look like if it were in our day. On the one hand, I remain 100% convinced that most of Revelation was fulfilled in AD 70. On the other hand, I would have to be blind and a fool to not see the similarities.

 

[Lodic]

I studied the Jewish wars years ago, from the first rebellion to the last battle at Masada in 73 AD. They were the fulfillment of the "days of vengeance" that Jesus had decreed against that generation of Jews. in which everything that had been written against the Jews UP TO THE TIME WHEN JESUS MADE THE PRONOUNCEMENT came to pass. Sure, it was a great punishment & tragedy to the Jews to lose the temple, but nothing like the great trib occurred then. After that, the Jews worshipped in local synagogues as they do today.

There was another war in 117 AD in which the Jews in outlying lands took part when the Parthians warred against Rome. Those Jews sided with the Parthians. with a great many people on both sides being killed & the last part of this war fought in Judea.

Finally came the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132 AD, which resulted in the Romans under Hadrian expelling the Jews from Judea & giving the land to the Philistines.("Palestinian" is Latin for "Philistine".) This was the beginning of over 1900 years of punishment against the Jews; they were hated & persecuted wherever they went for a long time. This punishment culminated in the nazi holocaust, in which some 6 million out of a world populstion of 13 million Jews were killed. When the nazis fell, the punishment was finally lifted, & more & more Jews began occupying their own land. Syndicates of wealthy Jews bought much of the land from its Arab possessors.

And I read Daniel very closely, in both old & new Bible versions for a broad overview, and I understand what the forst AOD was-a statue of Zeus set up in the temple by Antiochus Epiphanes, and the act of sacrificing a pig upon the altar. That's because Daniel wrote the AOD was to be both placed & set up in the sanctuary.(temple)

Now, nothing like that ever happened again in that temple before it was destroyed, so Jesus' words must be fulfilled in a new temple. If you do some Googling, you'll find the Jews have all the materials and instruments gathered to swiftly build a new temple, & are breeding the animals to be used in temple rites. (They imported a good deal of marble from the USA.) The only thing holding them back is they don't wanna start WW3.

An earlier attempt to build a new temple in 363 AD was stopped by natural phenomena such as an earthquake, and fire coming from the ground, as the quake had cracked open a pocket of natural gas. It simply wasn't God's time for it yet. But when the beast is here, or shortly before his manifestation, it will be built. And the AOD prophesied by Jesus will occur in it. it'll consist of the beast occupying it, stopping the sacrifices, placing & setting up a statue of himself in it, & declaring himself God. Then, WATCH OUT! That very day, he will send his forces out to kill every Christian, or anyone else not worshipping him or refusing to take his mark. Then, the great trib will begin very shortly.

I really do appreciate your historical expertise. I've even learned some things from your thorough explanation of Jewish history. Truly, you have a gift, Brother. That being said, I remain convinced that the prophecies in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation were not about worldwide events of our future, but of events that came to pass in Jerusalem in AD 70.

Many of the events in Revelation are symbolic language and hyperbole. It would be wrong to interpret something as symbolic if it was meant to be interpreted literally. It would be just as wrong to interpret something literally if it was meant to be interpreted symbolically or as an exaggeration. The trick is comparing difficult or unclear passages with other passages to help understand them.

Even if a 3rd temple is constructed, even if a red heifer is bred, that wouldn't necessarily be of God. I really don't get why God would bring all this about, just to turn around and have so many Jews killed. There is only one people of God - those who have given their hearts to Christ.

Finally, as I mentioned earlier, I must admit some concern over the government controls over people under the pretext of the COVID-19 pandemic. Although I couldn't be more convinced of the Preterist view, this does make one wonder.

 

[robycop3]

It's definitely scary. I have to admit that the controls, mandates, etc. that governments impose are what the "mark of the Beast" would look like if it were in our day. On the one hand, I remain 100% convinced that most of Revelation was fulfilled in AD 70. On the other hand, I would have to be blind and a fool to not see the similarities.

Yes, the marka the beast will be some sorta tech device implanted into every person's right hand or forehead, with few exceptions. And the beast's forces will be constantly seeking those who refuse this "mark".This has not occurred bedore.

 

[robycop3]

I really do appreciate your historical expertise. I've even learned some things from your thorough explanation of Jewish history. Truly, you have a gift, Brother. That being said, I remain convinced that the prophecies in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation were not about worldwide events of our future, but of events that came to pass in Jerusalem in AD 70.

I don't see why you still believe it when unbiased historical fact has been posted proving otherwise. Jesus died for everyone everywhere, not just the Jews. And ALL have sinned, as He said, not just the Jews.

Many of the events in Revelation are symbolic language and hyperbole. It would be wrong to interpret something as symbolic if it was meant to be interpreted literally. It would be just as wrong to interpret something literally if it was meant to be interpreted symbolically or as an exaggeration. The trick is comparing difficult or unclear passages with other passages to help understand them.

Jesus plainly said that the great trib will be the worst in history, that there hasn't been, nor will be, a worse series of calamities. He said that if those days weren't cut short, ALL flesh(man & animal) would perish. And when we read about them in Rev, it's easy to see how all life could be exterminated. I believe the time allocated for the trib will be 3.5 years, but God will cut it short, and Jesus will return immediately afterward, as He said He will. While the trib will hit the seat of the beast's empire the hardest, he & his army will survive to attack Jesus at His return.

Even if a 3rd temple is constructed, even if a red heifer is bred, that wouldn't necessarily be of God. I really don't get why God would bring all this about, just to turn around and have so many Jews killed. There is only one people of God - those who have given their hearts to Christ.

God promised that Judah & Israel would become one people again, and He will bring that about, of course. Aside from the Jews, the rest of Israel, wherever they may be, don't know they're Israelis. But God will reveal it to them in His own time & chosen method.
Most of the world will believe the new temple actually is a temple of God. The Jews will once again offer sacrifices in it. They've already made, and consecrated, an altar to use in it when it's built. Now, I don't know what they'll do for fire from Solomon's temple that's supposed to be the only fire used on the altar, & maybe Indiana Jones will bring the ark to them, but the Jews are very clever & inventive, & they'll come up with something to fulfill those criteria. (The actual ark is now in the heavenly temple as per Rev. 11:19.) Soon after the temple is in operation, the beast will come to full power & will occupy the temple to perform the AOD, issue the marka the beast, & to outlaw Christianity & all worship of anything but himself, & will send out his homeboys to enforce it. That's when the trib will begin.

Finally, as I mentioned earlier, I must admit some concern over the government controls over people under the pretext of the COVID-19 pandemic. Although I couldn't be more convinced of the Preterist view, this does make one wonder.

Just as Napoleon, Stalin, & especially Hitler were forerunners of the beast, the covid thingie is a forerunner of the beast's control over most of the world's people.

 

[robycop3]

Glad to see some defiance of the more-outlandish of "emergency decrees" over covid. Such "emergency" decrees & powers are EXACTLY what HITLER used to acquire almost-absolute power in Germany. I believe there are still enough Christians in the USA to stand up to the leftists in our govt. And those leftists are in for a rude awakening & crushing defeat in this year's elections. This'll be one of the biggest voter turnouts ever for a midterm election! But things are preparing the world for the coming of the beast.

We should look for the beast first, as Jesus won't return until he's here.

 

[Cathode]

It's definitely scary. I have to admit that the controls, mandates, etc. that governments impose are what the "mark of the Beast" would look like if it were in our day. On the one hand, I remain 100% convinced that most of Revelation was fulfilled in AD 70. On the other hand, I would have to be blind and a fool to not see the similarities.

Be prepared to see even greater similarities as time goes on.

“The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly and painful sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped his image.”

One of the side effects of some of these vaccines is painful sores and rashes. As more and more boosters are pumped into people it is damaging natural immunity against HZ, and causing auto immune skin reactions of many kinds.

Israel mysterious outbreak of sores as new side effect of vaccines. Many in Israel are on their 5th and 6th boosters. Some of the most and over vaccinated populations in the world.

New vaccine side effect? In Israel, six people develop herpes zoster

I think vaccine passports are the precursor to the Mark, the unvaccinated are already losing their jobs, prevented from going to many places. I am losing a local government contract and can not enter any building or construction site without a proof of vaccine passport. I can’t supply goods or services without this passport. I will be fined $100,000 for each count of non compliance.

“your merchants were the great men of the earth, all nations were led astray by your magic potion.” (Rev 18:23)

“Magic potion “ Pharmakeia” in the original Greek. φαρμακείᾳ

Big Pharmaceutical companies have had the largest class actions against them in human history, check for yourself. The complaint “ False Claims “.

These are transnational, global Pharmaceutical Companies earning trillions from all nations.

The Egyptians had their plague of sores, watch closely as scriptures recurring themes take place in our time.

All those worshipping the Beast will be fully vaccinated I reckon, they’ll be on their 20th booster or take whatever future crap “pharmakeia” they are told to, so they can enjoy the freedoms the remnant are denied. Albeit with their noses rotting off.

Interestingly when I had my local government contract cancelled, some fully vaccinated people took great delight at the injustice of it, laughing in my face saying “ that will teach you to be an antivaxer.”

I take comfort from Scripture, after losing my livelihood unjustly.

“Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false, so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness. “ (2 Thess 2:9-12)

These people had great pleasure in the unrighteousness of it. Like Nazis dividing the loot and spoils of condemned Jews.

 

[Cathode]

I really do appreciate your historical expertise. I've even learned some things from your thorough explanation of Jewish history. Truly, you have a gift, Brother. That being said, I remain convinced that the prophecies in Daniel, the Olivet Discourse, and Revelation were not about worldwide events of our future, but of events that came to pass in Jerusalem in AD 70.

Many of the events in Revelation are symbolic language and hyperbole. It would be wrong to interpret something as symbolic if it was meant to be interpreted literally. It would be just as wrong to interpret something literally if it was meant to be interpreted symbolically or as an exaggeration. The trick is comparing difficult or unclear passages with other passages to help understand them.

Even if a 3rd temple is constructed, even if a red heifer is bred, that wouldn't necessarily be of God. I really don't get why God would bring all this about, just to turn around and have so many Jews killed. There is only one people of God - those who have given their hearts to Christ.

Finally, as I mentioned earlier, I must admit some concern over the government controls over people under the pretext of the COVID-19 pandemic. Although I couldn't be more convinced of the Preterist view, this does make one wonder.

ID2020 Alliance

“Steering the market towards good digital ID solutions through our Certification Mark“

“In January 2019, the Alliance launched the ID2020 Certification Mark at the World Economic Forum in Davos. ID2020’s Technical Advisory Committee (TAC), made up of leading experts on digital ID and its underlying technologies”

“Every day, we rely on a variety of forms of identification to go about our lives: our driver’s license, passport, work badge and building access cards, debit and credit cards, transit passes, and more.

But technology is evolving at a blinding pace and many of the transactions that require identification are today being conducted digitally. From e-passports to digital wallets, online banking to social media accounts, these new forms of digital ID allow us to travel, conduct business, access financial and health records, stay connected, and much more.”

“We are businesses, nonprofits, governments and individuals...working in collaboration to ensure that the future of digital identity is, indeed, #goodID.”

“Closing the identity gap is an enormous challenge. It will take the work of many committed people and organizations coming together across different geographies, sectors and technologies. But it’s exciting to imagine a world where safe and secure digital identities are possible, providing everyone with an essential building block to every right and opportunity they deserve.” — Microsoft Peggy Johnson

Yeah people will get every right and opportunity they deserve.

It’s amazing how Bill Gates is so involved in vaccines and the seemingly unrelated Global Digital ID that allows you to buy sell, and live your life.

Covid 19 passport, and cyber attack will be the pretext for securing your Digital ID Mark.

John foresaw that drugs and medicines would be used to enslave mankind under a powerful group of men “ten kings” who would rule for “one hour, together with the beast.

Suspects, well how about these “ten kings” with ten seats on the board of GAVI, founded by Bill Gates.

 

[robycop3]

ID2020 Alliance

“Steering the market towards good digital ID solutions through our Certification Mark“

“In January 2019, the Alliance launched the ID2020 Certification Mark at the World Economic Forum in Davos. ID2020’s Technical Advisory Committee (TAC), made up of leading experts on digital ID and its underlying technologies”

“Every day, we rely on a variety of forms of identification to go about our lives: our driver’s license, passport, work badge and building access cards, debit and credit cards, transit passes, and more.

But technology is evolving at a blinding pace and many of the transactions that require identification are today being conducted digitally. From e-passports to digital wallets, online banking to social media accounts, these new forms of digital ID allow us to travel, conduct business, access financial and health records, stay connected, and much more.”

“We are businesses, nonprofits, governments and individuals...working in collaboration to ensure that the future of digital identity is, indeed, #goodID.”

“Closing the identity gap is an enormous challenge. It will take the work of many committed people and organizations coming together across different geographies, sectors and technologies. But it’s exciting to imagine a world where safe and secure digital identities are possible, providing everyone with an essential building block to every right and opportunity they deserve.” — Microsoft Peggy Johnson

Yeah people will get every right and opportunity they deserve.

It’s amazing how Bill Gates is so involved in vaccines and the seemingly unrelated Global Digital ID that allows you to buy sell, and live your life.

Covid 19 passport, and cyber attack will be the pretext for securing your Digital ID Mark.

John foresaw that drugs and medicines would be used to enslave mankind under a powerful group of men “ten kings” who would rule for “one hour, together with the beast.

Suspects, well how about these “ten kings” with ten seats on the board of GAVI, founded by Bill Gates.

Your ideas here certainly deserve attention. The beast will be elevated to power by millions of adoring people who will believe he's the hyperstar who will straighten out the world's messes. Those 10 rulers will WILLINGLY give him their authority, with the approval of the masses. I believe the rapture will occur before he turns to full evil, thus removing most of the opposition to him and the mark before he implements it. He will have an explanation for the disappearance of millions, which the world will accept. And when he commits the AOD & declares himself God, most of the world will go along, except for a very few who realize the rapture has occurred. Those few will read a Bible & come to Jesus. They'll be the trib saints. They'll live a hardscrabble life, not being able to buy or sell except in "black markets", & the beast's police & military will always be looking for them & kill those whom they find. Plus, they'll hafta undergo the great trib. many will be martyred or killed in the trib.

But ALL who take the mark will be DOOMED. Remember, God will send them strong delusion so they'll believe a lie and not come to salvation.

That's why I say, watch for the beast, insteada Jesus' return. And if you see the beast coming, "LOOK UP, FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWS NEAR!" (the rapture)

 

[Cathode]

Your ideas here certainly deserve attention. The beast will be elevated to power by millions of adoring people who will believe he's the hyperstar who will straighten out the world's messes. Those 10 rulers will WILLINGLY give him their authority, with the approval of the masses. I believe the rapture will occur before he turns to full evil, thus removing most of the opposition to him and the mark before he implements it. He will have an explanation for the disappearance of millions, which the world will accept. And when he commits the AOD & declares himself God, most of the world will go along, except for a very few who realize the rapture has occurred. Those few will read a Bible & come to Jesus. They'll be the trib saints. They'll live a hardscrabble life, not being able to buy or sell except in "black markets", & the beast's police & military will always be looking for them & kill those whom they find. Plus, they'll hafta undergo the great trib. many will be martyred or killed in the trib.

But ALL who take the mark will be DOOMED. Remember, God will send them strong delusion so they'll believe a lie and not come to salvation.

That's why I say, watch for the beast, insteada Jesus' return. And if you see the beast coming, "LOOK UP, FOR YOUR REDEMPTION DRAWS NEAR!" (the rapture)

The tribulation has begun as far as I am concerned, I lost local and state government contracts because I wouldn’t take the jabs and get the digital vaccine passport. I can’t trade goods or services anymore.
Doctors won’t see me or my family members without the digital vaccine passport. We are barred entry at a huge number of shops, venues, restaurants, hotels and travel. The Australian Army is conducting “CT training “in the greater metro area of Perth from Feb to December and we supposed to not to be alarmed seeing them on operation day or night. These guys are Swanbourne based, SAS in other words.

We can’t even go to our local pub anymore, they have a guy at the door checking for digital vaccine passports and refusing entry to the unvaccinated. Those without their “ papers “.

Austria is jailing the unvaccinated, Italy is fining the unvaccinated, we have huge camps being secretly constructed here with the nastiest looking and most heavily armed people guarding them and their dogs apparently.

Mate, the tribulation is here now, and it’s coming to a cinema near you very soon.

Nothing like this has ever happened like this in our country’s history, even in war time the restrictions weren’t this bad, and this is phase 1 they tell us.

Your looking for some future event, it’s happening now mate.

 

[Cathode]

What will remove opposition to the Beast are those that capitulated and got the vaccine and passport, and took over my contract and people’s jobs and watched the injustice take place with smug satisfaction.
They have made the first step in moral cowardice, it’s a mere formality for them to now become the prison guards and commit the greatest atrocities.

Our loss and ostracism benefits them more and more daily.

They told us “ we are all in this together “ . Really, not one of these politicians or bureaucrats lost a days pay, homes or businesses. They got pay rises through this whole scaredemic. special rules applying only to them.

The Beast doesn’t need adoration, he just needs people’s first capitulation. When people have done its once, they will go a little further the next time, and the next time, until they are monsters.

 

[robycop3]

What will remove opposition to the Beast are those that capitulated and got the vaccine and passport, and took over my contract and people’s jobs and watched the injustice take place with smug satisfaction.
They have made the first step in moral cowardice, it’s a mere formality for them to now become the prison guards and commit the greatest atrocities.

Our loss and ostracism benefits them more and more daily.

They told us “ we are all in this together “ . Really, not one of these politicians or bureaucrats lost a days pay, homes or businesses. They got pay rises through this whole scaredemic. special rules applying only to them.

The Beast doesn’t need adoration, he just needs people’s first capitulation. When people have done its once, they will go a little further the next time.

My wife & I got the vax & the booster because we didn't want to get covid, nothing more. We are both high-risk, she with COPD, I with asthma. In my area & across the creek into West Virginia, no one asks us to show cards when we go in.

Might be a forerunner of the mark, but it's not the mark.

 

[Cathode]

My wife & I got the vax & the booster because we didn't want to get covid, nothing more. We are both high-risk, she with COPD, I with asthma. In my area & across the creek into West Virginia, no one asks us to show cards when we go in.

Might be a forerunner of the mark, but it's not the mark.

The vaccine passport will be the Mark, not the vaccine. The digital vaccine passport will become the indelible Mark, people’s passport to never ending compromise into the beasts arms.

“ I’ve got kids, a family to support, I’ve got to get the vaccine pass or I lose my livelihood “ , yeah we all have kids and families to support, yet we trusted in God when we lost our jobs and businesses, when we could not see doctors, dentists or buy food.

Each step in moral cowardice begets another step in moral cowardice.

Get the vacc pass, take others jobs and contracts, keep your freedom of movement, medical benefits, go to the football, movies, pubs, casinos, travel the world. Enjoy. All these kingdoms will be yours if you but bow down and capitulate.

Each capitulation makes it harder for those who remain true.

Those who refuse this Mark will have nothing, only their Faith in God. Many don’t have that Faith.

“ When The Son of Man returns, Will He find Faith on the Earth “

Every man has imperatives but not every man has Faith.

“ I have to scatter my Fathers ashes in Scotland, I need the vaccine passport to travel “ Was the last excuse one friend said to me. I told him to let the dead bury the dead.
One first capitulation is all he asks, there will be many other imperatives to surrender to in future, but that first fruit of faithlessness is most precious to him. That first pressing of compromise, brings a flood of compromises.

Who can fight the beast? Not the moral coward, not the faithless.

 

[robycop3]

The vaccine passport will be the Mark, not the vaccine. The digital vaccine passport will become the indelible Mark, people’s passport to never ending compromise into the beasts arms.

“ I’ve got kids, a family to support, I’ve got to get the vaccine pass or I lose my livelihood “ , yeah we all have kids and families to support, yet we trusted in God when we lost our jobs and businesses, when we could not see doctors, dentists or buy food.

Each step in moral cowardice begets another step in moral cowardice.

Get the vacc pass, take others jobs and contracts, keep your freedom of movement, medical benefits, go to the football, movies, pubs, casinos, travel the world. Enjoy. All these kingdoms will be yours if you but bow down and capitulate.

Each capitulation makes it harder for those who remain true.

Those who refuse this Mark will have nothing, only their Faith in God. Many don’t have that Faith.

“ When The Son of Man returns, Will He find Faith on the Earth “

Every man has imperatives but not every man has Faith.

“ I have to scatter my Fathers ashes in Scotland, I need the vaccine passport to travel “ Was the last excuse one friend said to me. I told him to let the dead bury the dead.
One first capitulation is all he asks, there will be many other imperatives to surrender to in future, but that first fruit of faithlessness is most precious to him. That first pressing of compromise, brings a flood of compromises.

Who can fight the beast? Not the moral coward, not the faithless.

Sorry; I must disagree with you on this. The covid thingies are just a forerunner to show people how easily control can be gained, especially when almost everyone if in favor of the controlling device.
Then, there's the matter of the AOD, the false prophet, & the statue of the beast. it'll be the FP who will issue the edict for the mark as his boss' command, after he supernaturally causes his boss' statue to speak. There's nothing like that going on now.

Fulfillment of Biblical prophecy is COMPLETE, not in part. The beast isn't ere yet, so the covid card isn't the mark. Besides, the true mark will be implanted.

 

[Lodic]

I don't see why you still believe it when unbiased historical fact has been posted proving otherwise. Jesus died for everyone everywhere, not just the Jews. And ALL have sinned, as He said, not just the Jews.

The fact that Jesus died for everyone doesn't really have any bearing on this discussion. The Olivet Discourse describes judgment that came on Israel.

Jesus plainly said that the great trib will be the worst in history, that there hasn't been, nor will be, a worse series of calamities. He said that if those days weren't cut short, ALL flesh(man & animal) would perish. And when we read about them in Rev, it's easy to see how all life could be exterminated. I believe the time allocated for the trib will be 3.5 years, but God will cut it short, and Jesus will return immediately afterward, as He said He will. While the trib will hit the seat of the beast's empire the hardest, he & his army will survive to attack Jesus at His return.

Jesus was using hyperbole. This was unique, though. This was the only time the Old Covenant was ever ended.

God promised that Judah & Israel would become one people again, and He will bring that about, of course. Aside from the Jews, the rest of Israel, wherever they may be, don't know they're Israelis. But God will reveal it to them in His own time & chosen method.

If you are referring to the "Dry Bones" prophecy of Ezekiel, I believe that was fulfilled when the exiles returned to Judah.

Most of the world will believe the new temple actually is a temple of God. The Jews will once again offer sacrifices in it. They've already made, and consecrated, an altar to use in it when it's built.

It doesn't matter what anyone in the world believes, as Scripture tells us that the new temple is Christ (and those in whom the Holy Spirit dwells). Romans 2:25-29 tells us that there is no advantage in being a physical Jew. The true Jew is Spiritual Israel. This view is supported by several other passages, which I will provide upon request. With this in mind, I really don't get why God would have Israel bring back animal sacrifices, circumcision, and the whole Old Covenant system.

Just as Napoleon, Stalin, & especially Hitler were forerunners of the beast, the covid thingie is a forerunner of the beast's control over most of the world's people.

I must admit that this looks like the way Revelation describes it. Time will tell.

 

[Lodic]

ID2020 Alliance

“Steering the market towards good digital ID solutions through our Certification Mark“

“In January 2019, the Alliance launched the ID2020 Certification Mark at the World Economic Forum in Davos. ID2020’s Technical Advisory Committee (TAC), made up of leading experts on digital ID and its underlying technologies”

“Every day, we rely on a variety of forms of identification to go about our lives: our driver’s license, passport, work badge and building access cards, debit and credit cards, transit passes, and more.

But technology is evolving at a blinding pace and many of the transactions that require identification are today being conducted digitally. From e-passports to digital wallets, online banking to social media accounts, these new forms of digital ID allow us to travel, conduct business, access financial and health records, stay connected, and much more.”

“We are businesses, nonprofits, governments and individuals...working in collaboration to ensure that the future of digital identity is, indeed, #goodID.”

“Closing the identity gap is an enormous challenge. It will take the work of many committed people and organizations coming together across different geographies, sectors and technologies. But it’s exciting to imagine a world where safe and secure digital identities are possible, providing everyone with an essential building block to every right and opportunity they deserve.” — Microsoft Peggy Johnson

Yeah people will get every right and opportunity they deserve.

It’s amazing how Bill Gates is so involved in vaccines and the seemingly unrelated Global Digital ID that allows you to buy sell, and live your life.

Covid 19 passport, and cyber attack will be the pretext for securing your Digital ID Mark.

John foresaw that drugs and medicines would be used to enslave mankind under a powerful group of men “ten kings” who would rule for “one hour, together with the beast.

Suspects, well how about these “ten kings” with ten seats on the board of GAVI, founded by Bill Gates.

I agree with @robycop3 in that these ideas deserve attention. You certainly make a good case, but nobody really knows how this will play out. Probably could make a whole new thread on this subject.

 

[Cathode]

Sorry; I must disagree with you on this. The covid thingies are just a forerunner to show people how easily control can be gained, especially when almost everyone if in favor of the controlling device.
Then, there's the matter of the AOD, the false prophet, & the statue of the beast. it'll be the FP who will issue the edict for the mark as his boss' command, after he supernaturally causes his boss' statue to speak. There's nothing like that going on now.

Fulfillment of Biblical prophecy is COMPLETE, not in part. The beast isn't ere yet, so the covid card isn't the mark. Besides, the true mark will be implanted.

They already have an invisible but indelible Mark, Luciferase with quantum dots stamped into skin, holding all vaccine and other records. It can luminess under a powerful spectrum of light making it visible a short time or it can be seen with a cellphone app and filter.

Whatever the Mark is, it will that by which you be able to buy and sell, travel, and get all your other access, needs and services.

They come at you by your vices first, needs after.

People won’t be able to go to the bottle shops to get alcohol, so people who are addicted to alcohol will fold at that point. Take the Mark.

People who need medicine and medical services, will be barred from treatment and fold at that point and take the Mark.

People who need food, will not be able to buy it, fold and take the Mark.

Time of great distress, yes, not like any other time in history.

These controls are in place now, in phase 1.

 

[Cathode]

I agree with @robycop3 in that these ideas deserve attention. You certainly make a good case, but nobody really knows how this will play out. Probably could make a whole new thread on this subject.

It’s playing out now, in my life. Livelihood gone, Doctor gone, Dentist gone, travel gone. State border closed indefinitely, if I leave, I won’t be able reenter the state without the vaccine passport.
I’m watching people with the digital pass take my contract, get their access to medical and travel where they want as a higher class of citizen.

 

[Alofa Atu]

People won’t be able to go to the bottle shops to get alcohol, so people who are addicted to alcohol will fold at that point. Take the Mark.

I just finished a study on that -- Drink “UP” – These Are Not Drunken, As Ye Suppose - Sermon Power Point by brother Aaron Earnest : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive