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The Adoption.
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Alan Gross
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Reference link: His By Grace--"John Gill: A Body of Doctrinal & Practical Divinity"-Doctrinal Book 6, Chapter 9
"There is a difference also between adoption and regeneration, though, divines usually confound these two together.
"They both have the same author; the same God and Father adopts and regenerates;
they flow from the same love and grace; and the same persons that are adopted are regenerated; and they are adopted and begotten again unto the same inheritance:
but adoption is before regeneration; the one is an act of God's will in eternity, the other is an act and work of his grace in time;
the one is the cause, the other the effect; men are not adopted because regenerated, which would seem unnecessary;
but they are regenerated because adopted; "because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts"; to regenerate, to sanctify, and testify their adoption, #Ga 4:6 regeneration is the fruit and effect of adoption, and the evidence of it, #Joh 1:12,13 adoption gives the name of sons, and a title to the inheritance; and regeneration gives the nature of sons, and a meetness for the inheritance."
The bible says, and many Baptists believe, the redemption of our bodies at Christ's second coming is the adoption. See Romans 8:23.
OTOH, many Baptists believe some engage in the interpretation error of reading the modern meaning of a word used in translation back into the text. However, a study of the underlying Greek word's meaning results in understand the term refers to the bestowal of the full benefits of family membership at maturity.
OTOH, many Baptists believe some engage in the interpretation error of reading the modern meaning of a word used in translation back into the text. However, a study of the underlying Greek word's meaning results in understand the term refers to the bestowal of the full benefits of family membership at maturity.
37818
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Totally false.
Romans 8:23 defines what the adoption is. ". . . waiting for the , to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ."
The term is only use by the Apostle Paul.
The term adoption, meaning to be placed as a son, is used five times.
Romans 8:15, ". . . For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. . . ."
Romans 8:23, ". . . And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ."
Romans 9:4, ". . . Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; . . ."
Galatians 4:5, ". . . To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. . . ."
Ephesians 1:5, ". . . Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, . . ."
unprofitable
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Luke 3:23-38 gives the genealogy of Christ back to the time of Adam who in verse 38 says..."which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.
1 John 3:2 says, "Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God."
In Matt 6:9, Christ teaches us, "After this manner therefore pray ye: OUR Father which art in heaven...: This indicates a current possession or placement of sons NOW otherwise Christ would not have instructed us to pray in such manner.
How can any of these verses be interpreted as a future adoption? How can we say we are the sons of God without already being adopted?
The sons of God are commanded to do judgment and justice. This can only be done by those NOW made alive and holy in Christ. The life of Christ also proves his seedline or adoption of those born from above, who have the blessing of the Holy Spirit NOW.
Or is it possible that those verses you use rather indicate a future adoption in the sense of the final act of glorification of the body but not as being placed as sons, which we already have NOW? (1 John 3:2)
1 John 3:2 says, "Beloved, NOW are we the sons of God."
In Matt 6:9, Christ teaches us, "After this manner therefore pray ye: OUR Father which art in heaven...: This indicates a current possession or placement of sons NOW otherwise Christ would not have instructed us to pray in such manner.
How can any of these verses be interpreted as a future adoption? How can we say we are the sons of God without already being adopted?
The sons of God are commanded to do judgment and justice. This can only be done by those NOW made alive and holy in Christ. The life of Christ also proves his seedline or adoption of those born from above, who have the blessing of the Holy Spirit NOW.
Or is it possible that those verses you use rather indicate a future adoption in the sense of the final act of glorification of the body but not as being placed as sons, which we already have NOW? (1 John 3:2)
The adoption was secured before the foundation of the world.
*Ephesians 1:3-6*
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
One cannot receive the Spirit of adoption if one has not already been adopted.
*Romans 8:15*
For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
One cannot eagerly wait for something that has not already been secured. The adoption is already set, before we experience the adoption.
*Romans 8:22-24*
For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?
The human experience of adoption, today, is similar. The parents select the child. They work with the agency to set the transfer date. Then, on the date of choosing, the child is transferred from one family to the other family. The transfer is the end product of many months/years of work that setup the final transfer.
God's process of adoption started fr before the foundation of the world. He predestined the dates and times for the transfer. The adoption then is completed.
*Ephesians 1:3-6*
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
One cannot receive the Spirit of adoption if one has not already been adopted.
*Romans 8:15*
For you did not receive the spirit of slavery to fall back into fear, but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons, by whom we cry, “Abba! Father!”
One cannot eagerly wait for something that has not already been secured. The adoption is already set, before we experience the adoption.
*Romans 8:22-24*
For we know that the whole creation has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees?
The human experience of adoption, today, is similar. The parents select the child. They work with the agency to set the transfer date. Then, on the date of choosing, the child is transferred from one family to the other family. The transfer is the end product of many months/years of work that setup the final transfer.
God's process of adoption started fr before the foundation of the world. He predestined the dates and times for the transfer. The adoption then is completed.
37818
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unprofitable
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Rom 8:15 How do we cry Abba, Father if we have yet to be adopted. If we have not yet been adopted then we are bastards and not sons.
Rom 8:23 The adoption or redemption of the body is referring to the glorification of the members of the body of Christ.
Romans 9:4, Galatians 4:5, and Ephesians 1:5 all refer to a now occurence predestinated before the foundation of the world.
37818
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We, by the new birth, are already sons, just not yet adopted as eons.
1 John 3:2, ". . . now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; . . ."
Romans 8:23, ". . . waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ."
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We are son's, but not adopted?
That would make us sons of perdition?
Surely you see your conundrum.
37818
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You do not understand the word of God. Or you do not understand what you read or both.
LOL, just because I do not accept your thinking does not mean I do not understand. I fully understand your position and I find it woefully lacking of any substance.
37818
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Truth is subrance in and of itself.
Three ??? And you claim to fully to understand.
37818
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I understand the Bible. Sometimes you speak nonsense, which is indicated by my ???.
37818
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You didn't understand 1 John 3:2, ". . . now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; . . ." The Adoption, Romans 8:23, ". . . waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. . . ."
37, your being illogical.
You cannot be a child of God and yet not be adopted. The Bible tells us that our adoption was set before the foundation of the world. This is set in stone. The day in which we meet our Father face to face is in the future. I'm not sure how it is you miss this truth.
unprofitable
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Waiting for the adoption, more exactly, the redemption (glorification) of our body. Paul is speaking concerning our final appearance physically in glorification, being then made in the express image of Christ physically after already (now are we sons) being made in the express image spiritually or spiritually alive.
37818
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No. One has to be a son first in order to be put in place as a son. Roman law.is from were that Greek term came that Paul was lead to use.
Adoption in the Roman Empire—and God’s kingdom. ~ TXAB: The Christ Almighty Blog
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37818
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No such Biblical teaching as you misunderstood it.
What it says, ". . . According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children . . . ."
Romans 8:29, explained, ". . . For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, . . ." Per 1 John 3:2, ". . . when he shall appear, we shall be like him; . . .". So the meaning of Romans 8:23.
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