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The Army's hard sell

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Travelsong, Jun 28, 2005.

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  1. OCC

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    Niteshift said: "You're saying that France only accepted US help out of courtesy? Please be serious KJ. The war could not have been won without US help.
    And I don't think anyone said that EVERY Democrat is an anti-war isolationist. Actually they only oppose military action carried out by Republican leaders."

    I was being, what's the word, facetious? But in all seriousness I doubt the war could have only been won with your help. If that is the case, why didn't you help out a few years sooner?

    Nobody said EVERY Democrat...but it was implied. Now...are you implying that EVERY Democrat only opposes military action by Republican leaders?
     
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    Originally posted by King James:
    I was being, what's the word, facetious? But in all seriousness I doubt the war could have only been won with your help. If that is the case, why didn't you help out a few years sooner?

    Nobody said EVERY Democrat...but it was implied. Now...are you implying that EVERY Democrat only opposes military action by Republican leaders?
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    KJ, the English (and Commonwealth nations) and Russians were able to more or less achieve stalemate, that was as far as they could go, and the Brits were bled white. Do you honestly think D-Day and the re-taking of Europe could have been acheived without US involvement? Nobody else had the resources or manpower.

    No, I am not implying that EVERY Democrat only opposes military action by Republican leaders, but speaking in generalities. After all, there were very few Dems who had a problem with Clinton's military interventions.
     
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  3. OCC

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    It is good that you admitted to speaking in generalities. Conservatives lambast liberals who speak in generalities. :(

    Maybe they did not have the resources or manpower but they sure fought hard and they didn't wait until a few years later to get involved. Why is it the U.S. waited a few years? With your help maybe the war would not have lasted as long and much less lives would have been lost. Maybe Hitler would not have been able to have so many Jews needlessly exterminated. To say we needed your help may be true...but it doesn't make you guys look too good...seein as the help took a few years to get there.
     
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    So where in Vietnam did you serve, Joseph? If you were not drafted, surely you ran down and joined so that you could participate in the war. </font>[/QUOTE]I was in Guam with my dad, who worked on C-130's in 1973-1975, when I was 2-3 years. To the best of my knowledge, the war was over by 75, so I am not sure they would have taken a 3 year old.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    So where in Vietnam did you serve, Joseph? If you were not drafted, surely you ran down and joined so that you could participate in the war. </font>[/QUOTE]I was in Guam with my dad, who worked on C-130's in 1973-1975, when I was 2-3 years. To the best of my knowledge, the war was over by 75, so I am not sure they would have taken a 3 year old.

    Joseph Botwinick     </font>[/QUOTE]Joseph was a little young to have served in Vietnam , but I don't mind saying that the men that went to Canada were, and still are, cowards.

    If they were men of integrity and courage, they would have stood their ground for their beliefs instead of running like...


    cowards.
     
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    Carpro,

    I agree. [​IMG]

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    #247 Joseph_Botwinick, Jul 17, 2005
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    "Joseph was a little young to have served in Vietnam , but I don't mind saying that the men that went to Canada were, and still are, cowards.

    If they were men of integrity and courage, they would have stood their ground for their beliefs instead of running like...


    cowards."

    You have the right to be wrong. You conservatives tend to think that everyone has to think like you. In a FREE country one is not OBLIGATED to serve in the military and if they want to go to ANOTHER free country to avoid being forced into the military, then more power to them. Anyone who disagrees with me must have a Mental Disorder right Joseph?
     
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    It is not unusual to need conscripts to wage a war. Every "citizen" can contribute something to a war effort.

    This "terrorism" war is the prelude to WWIII in disguise. We better keep it together "at home". Re-start the draft. There is no place to hide. Reality check #666.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
    #249 Bro. James, Jul 17, 2005
  10. OCC

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    Good points Bro.James. I don't think the government has any right forcing people to join the military though. They force people to pay taxes and that is enough.
     
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    Someone already said: "Freedom ain't free".

    Another: "There ain't no free lunch".

    Hey, be a medic or a chaplain or a red cross volunteer. Put a hand to the plow--where ever it will fit.

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
    #251 Bro. James, Jul 17, 2005
  12. OCC

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    Or pay your taxes and go your merry way. Freedom ain't free...that's why they take your tax dollars. [​IMG]
     
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    For a discussion of whether liberalism is a mental disorder I would direct you, KJ, to Michael Savage's bestseller entitled Liberalism is a Mental Disorder: Savage
    Solutions    . [​IMG]
     
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    Michael Savage...he should definitely know about mental disorders. He is certainly no psychiatrist, but IMO he could certainly use the help of one.
     
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    He is pretty well educated:

    Michael Alan Weiner was born to a Russian Jewish family in the borough of The Bronx in New York City. He received a Ph.D. in Nutrition and Epidemiology from U.C. Berkeley, and has a background in alternative medicine.

    Until I read that in Wikipedia I did not know that his real last name was not "Savage" nor that he is a Jew nor that he is Russian.
     
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  16. OCC

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    Ken...the title of the book gives the impression that it is not worth reading. Maybe Mr. Savage should be directed to "Mein Kampf" to see the results of prejudice and hatred and all that jazz. :D

    BTW...go Wings go!! [​IMG]
     
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    Here is a bit more about Savage:

    Source: Inside back cover flap of his book "The Savage Nation"

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #257 Joseph_Botwinick, Jul 17, 2005
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    "...earning master's degrees in medical botany and medical anthropology and nutrition science from the University of California, Berkeley."

    Thanks for the tip but I'm missing how he is an expert on liberalism?
     
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    There is no right or wrong concerning my opinion. You either agree or you don't.

    Cowards they are and cowards they'll stay.

    The one thing in a "free country" that is not free is freedom. It is bought and paid for by the blood of patriots. And abused by cowards and freeloaders.
     
    #259 carpro, Jul 17, 2005
  20. OCC

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    Then it's not really "freedom" now is it? How can you call someone who may not even believe in a war, who does not want to give their life for it, who pays their TAXES a coward or a freeloader?

    Freedom isn't free and you pay for it with blood or tax dollars. If I agree with a war I would fight. If I don't, no "patriot" blowhard with a loud mouth and a bullying spirit would make me. THAT would not be "freedom". I understand that you don't see that...
     
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