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Featured The Atonement of Christ: What did it REALLY Achieve ?6

Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by Brightfame52, Sep 14, 2022.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    One is only elect when they are in Christ and they are only in Christ after they believe in Him.
    Rom 4:25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, {died for the sins of the whole world}
    and was raised because of our justification. {saves those that trust in Him}

    As long as you continue to proof-text your theology you will never come to the truth of scripture.

    For God So Loved the World

    Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
    Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
    Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
    Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
    Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

    I realize that these verses go against your whole man-made theology but these are scripture and you need to believe what God is telling you. Cast aside your blinders are read the bible with clear eyes. As long as you insist upon reading scripture through the filter of calvinism you will not see the truths contained there in.
     
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    “What did it REALLY achieve?”

    I like easy questions.

    It REALLY achieved the justification of all who received Christ as Lord and Saviour.

    It condemned all who reject Him.
     
    #142 MrW, Sep 27, 2022
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    Yes you are denying the success of Christs death, for it saved everyone He took the stripes for. So whosoever isnt saved/healed, its simple, He didnt take stripes for them.
     
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    The Elect were in Christ before the foundation of the world,Eph 1:4 there names were written in the Lambs book of Life from the foundation, that's election !
     
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    God knew who would believe. It’s called “foreknowledge”. They don’t believe because they’re elect—they’re elect because they believe.
     
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    BF you are still denying scripture as you hold on to your failed theology. Why do you continue to deny scripture are you that locked into calvinism that the truth can't get through or is it your pride that stops you from accepting the truth?

    I have shown you numerous verses that show your error and you ignore them. You are just being foolish now.
     
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    BF context shows that that view is in error but you will hold to it as your calvinist philosophy requires it. The truth of scripture will never convince a calvinist that they are wrong.
     
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    Wrong, they believe because they were elect, and because Christ achieved their atonement.
     
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    Tis you friend, who denies the healing/saving success of Christs death, insisting that people He died for can go through life and eventually die in their sins unsaved, unhealed by His stripes.
     
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    The chosen have always been in Christ, before they were in adam, even before the world began. And it was only them that Christ redeemed and healed by His stripes.
     
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