The Atonement of Christ: What did it REALLY Achieve ?6

[Silverhair]

Christs death only justifies the ungodly elect. So your view denies the Justifying blood of Christ, even in light of His resurrection which verified it Justified them He died for, the elect. Rom 4:25

One is only elect when they are in Christ and they are only in Christ after they believe in Him.
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, {died for the sins of the whole world}
and was raised because of our justification. {saves those that trust in Him}

As long as you continue to proof-text your theology you will never come to the truth of scripture.

For God So Loved the World

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I realize that these verses go against your whole man-made theology but these are scripture and you need to believe what God is telling you. Cast aside your blinders are read the bible with clear eyes. As long as you insist upon reading scripture through the filter of calvinism you will not see the truths contained there in.

 

[MrW]

“What did it REALLY achieve?”

I like easy questions.

It REALLY achieved the justification of all who received Christ as Lord and Saviour.

It condemned all who reject Him.

 

[Brightfame52]

Read your bible without your calvinist glasses. Christ dies to save the world
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Rom 5:6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
Rom 5:8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Christ died to save the world, the ungodly, the sinners. Why do you have such a problem with this? Those that will trust in Him will be saved. Those that do not will be lost.
1Ti 4:10 For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of all men, especially of those who believe.

BF read these words carefully. What is Paul saying?
2Co 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new.
2Co 5:18 Now all things are of God, who has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
2Co 5:19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
2Co 5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God.
2Co 5:21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

While Christ came to save the whole world {cover their sins} only those that trust in the risen Christ will be saved. You are allowing your calvinist view to blind you to what the bible says. You have focused on
1Pe 2:24 who Himself bore our sins in His own body on the tree, that we, having died to sins, might live for righteousness—by whose stripes you were healed.
But you are not looking at the rest of scripture. Christ covered {healed} the sins of all so that those that believe in the risen Son could be saved
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.

I am not denying 1Pe 2:24 but you are denying the rest of scripture. You are trying to proof-text your theology. BF you need to trust the whole of scripture.

Yes you are denying the success of Christs death, for it saved everyone He took the stripes for. So whosoever isnt saved/healed, its simple, He didnt take stripes for them.

 

[Brightfame52]

One is only elect when they are in Christ and they are only in Christ after they believe in Him.
Rom 4:25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, {died for the sins of the whole world}
and was raised because of our justification. {saves those that trust in Him}

As long as you continue to proof-text your theology you will never come to the truth of scripture.

For God So Loved the World

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up,
Joh 3:15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life.
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
Joh 3:18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

I realize that these verses go against your whole man-made theology but these are scripture and you need to believe what God is telling you. Cast aside your blinders are read the bible with clear eyes. As long as you insist upon reading scripture through the filter of calvinism you will not see the truths contained there in.

The Elect were in Christ before the foundation of the world,Eph 1:4 there names were written in the Lambs book of Life from the foundation, that's election !

 

[MrW]

God knew who would believe. It’s called “foreknowledge”. They don’t believe because they’re elect—they’re elect because they believe.

 

[Salty]

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[Silverhair]

Yes you are denying the success of Christs death, for it saved everyone He took the stripes for. So whosoever isnt saved/healed, its simple, He didnt take stripes for them.

BF you are still denying scripture as you hold on to your failed theology. Why do you continue to deny scripture are you that locked into calvinism that the truth can't get through or is it your pride that stops you from accepting the truth?

I have shown you numerous verses that show your error and you ignore them. You are just being foolish now.

 

[Silverhair]

The Elect were in Christ before the foundation of the world,Eph 1:4 there names were written in the Lambs book of Life from the foundation, that's election !

BF context shows that that view is in error but you will hold to it as your calvinist philosophy requires it. The truth of scripture will never convince a calvinist that they are wrong.

 

[Brightfame52]

God knew who would believe. It’s called “foreknowledge”. They don’t believe because they’re elect—they’re elect because they believe.

Wrong, they believe because they were elect, and because Christ achieved their atonement.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you are still denying scripture as you hold on to your failed theology. Why do you continue to deny scripture are you that locked into calvinism that the truth can't get through or is it your pride that stops you from accepting the truth?

I have shown you numerous verses that show your error and you ignore them. You are just being foolish now.

Tis you friend, who denies the healing/saving success of Christs death, insisting that people He died for can go through life and eventually die in their sins unsaved, unhealed by His stripes.

 

[Brightfame52]

BF context shows that that view is in error but you will hold to it as your calvinist philosophy requires it. The truth of scripture will never convince a calvinist that they are wrong.

The chosen have always been in Christ, before they were in adam, even before the world began. And it was only them that Christ redeemed and healed by His stripes.

 

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