The Baptism debate

[Moriah]

Here is Scripture. I hope you can follow it. First we have the Great Commission, as it is given in the Book of Acts:

Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Notice the places mentioned, and in what order they are listed. Jerusalem is located in Judea. The Day of Pentecost was a feast held in Jerusalem when Jews gathered from all over, coming to the Temple. About one hundred thousand people were present representing about 13 different nations. But, ALL were Jews.
3,000 were saved on that day.
From this day all who are saved are will be indwelt with the Holy Spirit.

But the book of Acts is a book of transition.
God is a God of order. Things are done decently and in order. First God went to the Jews, as he said he would. "Both in Jerusalem and in all Judea."
"and in Samaria."

DHK, what is all the ruckus? Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he accepts. The people in Samaria had to be prayed over for the Holy Spirit and the laying of hands.

What do you think you are going against me with?

Now the gospel has come to those that are in Samaria--the Samaritans, those outside of Judea--everything in God's order (Acts 1:8).
Everyone who is saved is indwelt by the Holy Spirit. That is what happens when a person is saved. What you see happening here is apostolic authority. It is a sign of authority from the apostles that indeed the gospel has gone outside the realm of the Jews, and to the Samaritans as well. Thus the Holy Spirit in fell in this manner, at this time in history only. It would never be repeated again for the Samaritans. As at Pentecost, this event would never happen again. All who get saved are indwelt with the Holy Spirit at the same time. This was a special historical event; a sign for the Jews.

What do you think you are correcting me? Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he accepts. You just will not accept that truth.

You have really yanked that verse out of context haven't you? Look at it--in its context!

Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

In verse 8, "bare them witness" Who? The Gentiles.
The Gentiles were convicted of the Holy Spirit just as those on the Day of Pentecost were. Those saved on the Day of Pentecost were indwelt with the Holy Spirit, and so were those saved under Paul's ministry.

Verse 9: Therefore put no difference between the Gentiles and (us), Jews.

Verse 10: Don't tempt the Lord your God. Don't be a legalist or give into them. Don't put a yoke on the Gentiles and demand them to keep the OT law that is not required of NT believers.

It is obvious that this passage says nothing even close to what you are trying to make it say. Why? You take it out of context, (as usual).

I have done no such thing that you accuse me.
Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he accepts. He knows everyone’s heart. He chooses whom he will live with!!!!!!

 

[DHK]

DHK, what is all the ruckus? Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he accepts. The people in Samaria had to be prayed over for the Holy Spirit and the laying of hands.

What do you think you are going against me with?


What do you think you are correcting me? Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he accepts. You just will not accept that truth.


I have done no such thing that you accuse me.
Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he accepts. He knows everyone’s heart. He chooses whom he will live with!!!!!!

"What is all the ruckus"

"What do you think you are going against me with?"

"What do you think you are correcting me?"

And the other statements that you have made above. If you are above debate and wish to withdraw then pick up your papers and walk out the door and I am sure no one will miss you.

However, if you want meaningful debate I answered your post, paragraph by paragraph, and because you could not give any intelligent answer or rebuttal you resorted to personal attack instead. You are right with your statements. "You can't be corrected." You refuse teaching. You are hardened in your ways. There is no sense in even trying to debate anything with you.
You can find another forum where you might have better success. I explained in my last post where your theology was wrong and why, and look at the condescending remarks and personal attacks I got instead. There was nothing of value that you replied with.

At least Yeshua replied with something of value. Here is what his response was:

many things in Acts were done for 'just that time", in order to fulfill OT prophetic word concerning the messiah!

Such as the speaking in tongues, as evidenced/sign of the Coming of the holy Spirit at pentacost!

He recognized, as I posted, that many things done in the Book of Acts were never going to be repeated again. They were done to fulfill OT prophecy and the coming of the Lord.

You still don't understand that, and build a false theology on false premises taken out of the Book of Acts--on passages of Scripture where I have told you and explained in detail that those passages cannot be used for your premise because they were for that time and age only.

You won't accept Biblical truth. There are a number of passages in Proverbs that describe a person like that.

There is a door. Do you want a refund? You don't have to come back. No one is forcing you to post. It doesn't seem like you want to debate. I have no idea what your agenda is here. It seems as if you would be better off somewhere else.

 

[Moriah]

"What is all the ruckus"

"What do you think you are going against me with?"

"What do you think you are correcting me?"

And the other statements that you have made above. If you are above debate and wish to withdraw then pick up your papers and walk out the door and I am sure no one will miss you.

However, if you want meaningful debate I answered your post, paragraph by paragraph, and because you could not give any intelligent answer or rebuttal you resorted to personal attack instead.

There is no personal attacks by me in what I said, you just want it to seem like that.

You have not corrected anything I said.

Jesus gives his Holy Spirit to those he chooses.

You are right with your statements. "You can't be corrected." You refuse teaching. You are hardened in your ways. There is no sense in even trying to debate anything with you.

Do you remember what I told you, that Jesus revealed to me that what I am falsely accused of, that it is the very thing the accuser is guilty of doing? So again, I see that you have described yourself perfectly.

He recognized, as I posted, that many things done in the Book of Acts were never going to be repeated again. They were done to fulfill OT prophecy and the coming of the Lord.

There might not be anymore speaking in tongues by many Christians anymore, but that is NO ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FACT THAT Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he chooses.

You won't accept Biblical truth. There are a number of passages in Proverbs that describe a person like that.

If no one can see the way you speak to me, especially after you accuse me of doing things I have not, then so be it.

There is a door. Do you want a refund? You don't have to come back. No one is forcing you to post. It doesn't seem like you want to debate. I have no idea what your agenda is here. It seems as if you would be better off somewhere else.

This is a debate group, and I registered because I wanted to be here. I love speaking of God’s Word. If anyone thinks differently, then they are thinking wrong.
I should not have to defend myself personally. I am not the topic. Why do you keep making me the topic?

 

[DHK]

There is no personal attacks by me in what I said, you just want it to seem like that.

You have not corrected anything I said.

Jesus gives his Holy Spirit to those he chooses.

They are personal attacks. Instead of posting such statements why not answer the Scriptural answer I gave you. I explained how the gospel went forth from the command given in Acts 1:8 from the Jews to the Samaritans to the Gentiles. You ignored it all.

Your above statement is no different than the Calvinist statement, and yet you say you are not a Calvinist.
"Jesus gives his Holy Spirit to those he chooses"
--Explain how that differs from the Calvinist. What do you mean by that?
You are too vague.

Do you remember what I told you, that Jesus revealed to me that what I am falsely accused of, that it is the very thing the accuser is guilty of doing? So again, I see that you have described yourself perfectly.

Look up Heb.1:1,2.
God reveals things to us through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is revealed to us through his word. So how did Jesus reveal anything to you? Are you a mystic, a gnostic? Belong to the Third Wave (extreme Charismatics who claim to receive divine revelation like Benny Hinn)? Just how did God reveal this extra-Biblical revelation to you?
I didn't describe myself. I described your doctrine. There is a big difference. This demonstrates your inability to debate doctrine.

There might not be anymore speaking in tongues by many Christians anymore, but that is NO ARGUMENT AGAINST THE FACT THAT Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he chooses.

He gives the Holy Spirit to all who believe at the time of salvation. If you would read the Book of Romans you would understand this. You do not get such doctrine solely from a historical book like the Book of Acts.
What does Romans say.
Those who have not the Spirit of God are none of His.
Every believer has the Spirit of God.

If no one can see the way you speak to me, especially after you accuse me of doing things I have not, then so be it.

I gave you some examples just from one quote.
Shall I quote some others from this thread, from other threads, from the threads where you have interacted. You say that I am unsaved. What kind of accusation is that, a Godly one? It is good enough to be banned from here. Did you know that?

This is a debate group, and I registered because I wanted to be here. I love speaking of God’s Word. If anyone thinks differently, then they are thinking wrong.

If you love speaking God's Word then why do you call people unsaved.
Why do personally attack them.
Why can't you discuss doctrine without attacking the people involved.

I should not have to defend myself personally. I am not the topic. Why do you keep making me the topic?

The topic ends up you because you are the one attacking others. You need to stop.

 

[Moriah]

They are personal attacks. Instead of posting such statements why not answer the Scriptural answer I gave you. I explained how the gospel went forth from the command given in Acts 1:8 from the Jews to the Samaritans to the Gentiles. You ignored it all.

You went against me when I said Jesus chooses us. You only quoted scripture to try say Jesus only did things a certain way in Acts that he never does again. That is not true.

Your above statement is no different than the Calvinist statement, and yet you say you are not a Calvinist.
"Jesus gives his Holy Spirit to those he chooses"
--Explain how that differs from the Calvinist. What do you mean by that?
You are too vague.

Calvinists believe that God choose us before the creation of the world, that we have no understanding even after being taught, that we can do nothing without God doing it for us.

That is a false doctrine, for nowhere in the scriptures does it say that God chooses those who do not believe in Him
God chooses those who have faith in Him after learning of Him. God chooses the one who does not cherish their sins, but the one who is sorry for their sins.


Calvinists believe God chooses before we are even born, and they do not know why God chooses whom He chooses.

Look up Heb.1:1,2.
God reveals things to us through His Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is revealed to us through his word. So how did Jesus reveal anything to you? Are you a mystic, a gnostic? Belong to the Third Wave (extreme Charismatics who claim to receive divine revelation like Benny Hinn)? Just how did God reveal this extra-Biblical revelation to you?

Jesus revealed it to me in his word.

I didn't describe myself. I described your doctrine. There is a big difference. This demonstrates your inability to debate doctrine.

Again, you describe yourself perfectly.

He gives the Holy Spirit to all who believe at the time of salvation.

Where have I said different?
You misunderstand, and then you go on and on as if I said something that I have not. You do this often; even after I explain the truth to you.

If you would read the Book of Romans you would understand this. You do not get such doctrine solely from a historical book like the Book of Acts.

You see that is more demeaning talk from you. I read Romans, I understand, and you are wrong about the book of Acts.

What does Romans say.
Those who have not the Spirit of God are none of His.
Every believer has the Spirit of God.

Where have I said different? Again, you just make up stuff and say I say it.

I gave you some examples just from one quote.
Shall I quote some others from this thread, from other threads, from the threads where you have interacted. You say that I am unsaved. What kind of accusation is that, a Godly one? It is good enough to be banned from here. Did you know that?

Hahahaha You are the one who says I am not saved. You are the one who claims since I believe differently that I am not saved. With YOUR logic and explanations of who is and who is not saved, it would make you not saved, according to your false judgment of me.

With the measure you use on me, with that same measure you judged yourself.

If you love speaking God's Word then why do you call people unsaved.
Why do personally attack them.
Why can't you discuss doctrine without attacking the people involved.

You are the one who tells people they are not saved! You, again, have described yourself perfectly.

The topic ends up you because you are the one attacking others. You need to stop.

People here have told me first whether they think I am saved. That is what you people here do first, and then you all who do such things do not like it when the same measure is used for you.
You just spent a bunch of time talking about me again. I then defend myself. You need to stop.

 

[DHK]

You went against me when I said Jesus chooses us. You only quoted scripture to try say Jesus only did things a certain way in Acts that he never does again. That is not true.

I challenge you on statements that are not true or too vague to tell what you are saying. For example, "Jesus chooses us." So? The Calvinists believe that. How is your belief any different. A coach chooses his football players. What is the big deal about choosing unless you give it some context?

Calvinists believe that God choose us before the creation of the world, that we have no understanding even after being taught, that we can do nothing without God doing it for us.

Go talk to a Calvinist instead of misrepresenting them. Ask them if "we have no understanding even after being taught..." They will laugh in your face. (And that is only if they are polite.) Stop misrepresenting people whose doctrine you don't understand.

That is a false doctrine, for nowhere in the scriptures does it say that God chooses those who do not believe in Him
God chooses those who have faith in Him after learning of Him. God chooses the one who does not cherish their sins, but the one who is sorry for their sins.

Calvinists believe God chooses before we are even born, and they do not know why God chooses whom He chooses.

You have a lot of misunderstandings you need to get sorted out.
But you still didn't tell me what you believe.
You said "Jesus chooses people."
How does "Jesus chooses you," any different than a "football coach chooses you." How does Jesus choose you?

Jesus revealed it to me in his word.

You are bordering on blasphemy or heresy or perhaps both.
The subject was your knowledge of me; some remarks you made about me.
You then claimed you got them through revelation.
When challenged on what type of revelation, you know say that the revelation is "God's Word."
Now show me where my name is written in God's Word so that you can get personal knowledge of me in the Word of God, or else I shall label you a heretic and a false prophet.

Again, you describe yourself perfectly.

Look at what you are responding to: Here is what I said:

I didn't describe myself. I described your doctrine. There is a big difference. This demonstrates your inability to debate doctrine.

I responded to your doctrine, not to your person. You attack the person over and over again.

Where have I said different?
You misunderstand, and then you go on and on as if I said something that I have not. You do this often; even after I explain the truth to you.

You keep using passages out of the book of Acts to "prove" that people can receive the Holy Spirit after baptism. This is not true it is a false doctrine. That is where you have said differently.

You see that is more demeaning talk from you. I read Romans, I understand, and you are wrong about the book of Acts.

When you teach "new" doctrine gained from Scripture taken out of context from the Book of Acts it demonstrates that you don't understand perhaps either the Book of Acts or the Book of Romans.

Where have I said different? Again, you just make up stuff and say I say it.

Just look through the thread and see how many times you can count when you have said that a person can receive the Holy Spirit after salvation, after baptism. That is a wrong doctrine. It is not true. Yet you teach it anyway. It goes contrary to the teaching of the Book of Romans which I gave you.

Hahahaha You are the one who says I am not saved. You are the one who claims since I believe differently that I am not saved. With YOUR logic and explanations of who is and who is not saved, it would make you not saved, according to your false judgment of me.

With the measure you use on me, with that same measure you judged yourself.

I use your own measure. You are the one that believes you can lose your own salvation. Using that measuring stick, if you sin today you will be lost tomorrow. What happens if you sin, have a heart attack without time to repent of your sin? Will God allow such a one into heaven?

You are the one who tells people they are not saved! You, again, have described yourself perfectly.

No, I discuss doctrine. Sometimes I take doctrine to its logical conclusion. And then ask a logical question.

People here have told me first whether they think I am saved. That is what you people here do first, and then you all who do such things do not like it when the same measure is used for you.
You just spent a bunch of time talking about me again. I then defend myself. You need to stop.

Then stop attacking people. Stop with the personal attacks. Do you know people have stopped interacting with you because of your attacks on them?

 

[Moriah]

I challenge you on statements that are not true or too vague to tell what you are saying. For example, "Jesus chooses us." So? The Calvinists believe that. How is your belief any different. A coach chooses his football players. What is the big deal about choosing unless you give it some context?

I gave you scripture saying God chooses us.

Go talk to a Calvinist instead of misrepresenting them. Ask them if "we have no understanding even after being taught..." They will laugh in your face. (And that is only if they are polite.) Stop misrepresenting people whose doctrine you don't understand.

Ha ha ha You are the one who does not understand what they teach. Calvinists believe that humans cannot believe until God saves them, at the same time they are saved they now can believe.

You have a lot of misunderstandings you need to get sorted out.
But you still didn't tell me what you believe.
You said "Jesus chooses people."
How does "Jesus chooses you," any different than a "football coach chooses you." How does Jesus choose you?

I have explained it to you. Jesus chooses us when he accepts us. Jesus knows everyone’s heart.
The Bible tells us who He saves and why. The Bible also tells us why He does not save those He does not save.

You are bordering on blasphemy or heresy or perhaps both.
The subject was your knowledge of me; some remarks you made about me.
You then claimed you got them through revelation.
When challenged on what type of revelation, you know say that the revelation is "God's Word."
Now show me where my name is written in God's Word so that you can get personal knowledge of me in the Word of God, or else I shall label you a heretic and a false prophet.

You sure have a hard time understanding. Jesus revealed to me from his word about people who falsely accuse. Your remarks prove that you know you were falsely accusing me. lol

Look at what you are responding to: Here is what I said:

I didn't describe myself. I described your doctrine. There is a big difference. This demonstrates your inability to debate doctrine.

I responded to your doctrine, not to your person. You attack the person over and over again.

Therefore, you admit you are attacking me, for I only said that you describe yourself.

You keep using passages out of the book of Acts to "prove" that people can receive the Holy Spirit after baptism. This is not true it is a false doctrine. That is where you have said differently.

They received the Holy Spirit after they were baptized. You do not seem to like Acts.

When you teach "new" doctrine gained from Scripture taken out of context from the Book of Acts it demonstrates that you don't understand perhaps either the Book of Acts or the Book of Romans.

Jesus can give the Holy Spirit to someone when he wants to, when he accepts them. He knows our hearts; you do not know people’s hearts. Did you make a habit of telling people that they were saved just because they said they believed? Did you pray and lay your hands on them and give them the Holy Spirit? The Apostles could do that, are you saying you did that to people.

If you did not give the Holy Spirit to people, then how do you know they had the Holy Spirit? Did you not then tell them to obey Jesus’ teachings? If you did, then you are accursed if they were not yet saved…according to what you say to me.

Just look through the thread and see how many times you can count when you have said that a person can receive the Holy Spirit after salvation,

That does not even make sense. How does a person receive the Holy Spirit after salvation? Salvation is having the Holy Spirit.

after baptism. That is a wrong doctrine. It is not true. Yet you teach it anyway. It goes contrary to the teaching of the Book of Romans which I gave you.

Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he chooses to live with. John 14:23.

I use your own measure. You are the one that believes you can lose your own salvation.

I know I cannot lose my salvation. I obey Jesus.

Using that measuring stick, if you sin today you will be lost tomorrow. What happens if you sin, have a heart attack without time to repent of your sin? Will God allow such a one into heaven?

Do not be caught sinning when it is time to meet Jesus.

No, I discuss doctrine. Sometimes I take doctrine to its logical conclusion. And then ask a logical question.

You tell people they are not saved. You do not like it when they say it to you though. There is a word for that.

Then stop attacking people. Stop with the personal attacks. Do you know people have stopped interacting with you because of your attacks on them?

They do not like to be corrected with the truth; they have a hard time going against the truth, though they try. Just as you have a hard time, you end up personally attacking, just as you do.

 

[DHK]

I gave you scripture saying God chooses us.

No you didn't. You just repeat the same statement over and over again without any logical explanation. God chooses us. That is a Calvinistic statement.
]quote]Ha ha ha You are the one who does not understand what they teach. Calvinists believe that humans cannot believe until God saves them, at the same time they are saved they now can believe. [/quote]
Again, reiterated garbage. You haven't taken the time to find out what they believe. So here you post slander and lies. This is sinful. Remember for future reference that you have just sinned, attacked the Calvinists, and misrepresented them.

I will tell you the Calvinist position. Try to understand.
They believe that a person must be regenerated first. Upon regeneration they receive faith to believe. With that faith they are able to believe in Christ and obtain salvation. There is a logical order which is called ordu salutis (sp?). However, I can point you to a number of posts where most Calvinists maintain that all of the above take place either simultaneously or milliseconds apart such as it were simultaneously, that it really doesn't make any difference. If it is all simultaneous, all taking place at the same time, then for all intents and purposes, it is no different than what the non-Cal believes. Now, did you understand all that?

What you believe about the Calvinist position is just not true and is a lie.

I have explained it to you. Jesus chooses us when he accepts us. Jesus knows everyone’s heart.

Give Scripture. Your answer is too vague. It doesn't differ from the Calvinist position. He accepts before the foundation of the world. How is that any different?

The Bible tells us who He saves and why. The Bible also tells us why He does not save those He does not save.

More Calvinism. That is a very obvious statement. Very profound!

You sure have a hard time understanding. Jesus revealed to me from his word about people who falsely accuse. Your remarks prove that you know you were falsely accusing me. lol

You have falsely accused me, you have claimed you have personal knowledge about me. Then, you falsely accused every Calvinist on this board. Thus you have put most people in the category of unsaved, as you did me. And Jesus revealed this to you, you say, and from the Word of God. You have much to learn, and much to learn about falsely accusing the brethren and telling them that they are unsaved--something that can get you banned.

Therefore, you admit you are attacking me, for I only said that you describe yourself.

That is another false accusation by you; another sin. You cannot differentiate between someone showing you the wrong doctrine that you post, and then take it personally as an attack.

They received the Holy Spirit after they were baptized. You do not seem to like Acts.

You see, you have just contradicted yourself. You asked me to show you where you didn't always believe that a believer receives the Holy Spirit the minute he is saved. I did. Now you deny it. Another contradiction.

Jesus can give the Holy Spirit to someone when he wants to, when he accepts them. He knows our hearts; you do not know people’s hearts.

Neither do you. Why do you pretend that you do?

Did you make a habit of telling people that they were saved just because they said they believed?

Do you make it a habit of telling people they are liars? Do you refuse to accept a person's testimony at face value?

Did you pray and lay your hands on them and give them the Holy Spirit? The Apostles could do that, are you saying you did that to people.

Do you?

If you did not give the Holy Spirit to people, then how do you know they had the Holy Spirit?

How do you know? Is every person a liar to you?

Did you not then tell them to obey Jesus’ teachings? If you did, then you are accursed if they were not yet saved…according to what you say to me.

If they give me a testimony that they are saved, shall I call them liars?

That does not even make sense. How does a person receive the Holy Spirit after salvation? Salvation is having the Holy Spirit.

Look at what you just posted from the Book of Acts. You just contradicted yourself.

Jesus gives the Holy Spirit to those he chooses to live with. John 14:23.

Another obvious contradiction from your above statement.

I know I cannot lose my salvation. I obey Jesus.

You just finished attacking both me and all the Calvinists on this board. That is sin; not obedience. No, you do not obey Jesus. So, yes you could lose your salvation if you died right now of a heart attack without having the chance to repent. Correct? That is your theology.

Do not be caught sinning when it is time to meet Jesus.

You have been caught sinning and you won't repent of it.
What will the Lord say about it?

You tell people they are not saved. You do not like it when they say it to you though. There is a word for that.

When people post false doctrine on here, like "they are saved by their baptism," I tell them that by believing that doctrine they cannot be saved. Only Jesus saves. Baptism does not save. If you are depending on baptism to save you, you will be greatly disappointed when you die. Faith alone in Christ alone by grace alone will save. Nothing else. Yes, I tell a person if they don't believe in the correct doctrine concerning salvation that they won't go to heaven. That is my obligation.

They do not like to be corrected with the truth; they have a hard time going against the truth, though they try. Just as you have a hard time, you end up personally attacking, just as you do.

You do not accept teaching nor correction. And when that happens you attack people not refute doctrine. That is wrong. I post where your doctrine is wrong, just as I did now. It is not a personal attack is it. It is an attack against your theological position which is wrong. I am not the one that is saying you are going to Hell because Jesus told me that. Such statements are totally unacceptable.

 

[Moriah]

I will tell you the Calvinist position. Try to understand.
They believe that a person must be regenerated first.

If a person is REGENERATED, it is with the Holy Spirit, AND THEY ARE NOW ALREADY SAVED. As soon as they received the Holy Spirit to regenerate them, in fact, Calvinists believe they were saved before the creation of the world, since when God makes a decision, then it will be done.

Now stop lying about me and slandering. It is shameful what you say and do.

 

[The Biblicist]

Jesus revealed it to me in his word.

It is impossible to have any meaningful debate with an individual who asserts all his beliefs are by revelation from Christ. This is a claim of equal inspiration with Biblical writers. A person who truly believes this of himself, and Moriah does indeed, cannot possibly admit to error as it is one and the same in his mind of accusing Christ of error.

This is why I stopped debating with Moriah because it is a complete exercise of futility. He is not on this forum to do anything less than make proselytes to his heresies.

 

[Moriah]

It is impossible to have any meaningful debate with an individual who asserts all his beliefs are by revelation from Christ. This is a claim of equal inspiration with Biblical writers. A person who truly believes this of himself, and Moriah does indeed, cannot possibly admit to error as it is one and the same in his mind of accusing Christ of error.

This is why I stopped debating with Moriah because it is a complete exercise of futility. He is not on this forum to do anything less than make proselytes to his heresies.

I prove what I believe by the Bible. You do not debate me because you cannot keep going against the Truth.

 

[Yeshua1]

I prove what I believe by the Bible. You do not debate me because you cannot keep going against the Truth.

We keep going against your misinterpretation of the Bible!

You are like those Peter accused of being ignorant men, twisting the doctrines of paul to their own destruction!

 

[Moriah]

We keep going against your misinterpretation of the Bible!

You are like those Peter accused of being ignorant men, twisting the doctrines of paul to their own destruction!

You just described yourself.

 

[Yeshua1]

You just described yourself.

Well, paul and I agree on justification, do you?

 

[The Biblicist]

I prove what I believe by the Bible.

No you do not! You mishandle the scripture terribly but then when you are exposed you do not even attempt to provide a contextual based Biblical response to the criticisms but rather ASSERT either God revealed it to you and all others are wrong OR you are being personally attacked.


What if I used that absurd reasoning with you??? What if every time you used scripture to expose my interpretation as error, I simply responded that YOU KNOW NOTHING, and I teach God's truth and God revealed this truth to me and stop personally attacking me! What utter dispicable hypocrisy would that be!

 

[Moriah]

No you do not! You mishandle the scripture terribly but then when you are exposed you do not even attempt to provide a contextual based Biblical response to the criticisms but rather ASSERT either God revealed it to you and all others are wrong OR you are being personally attacked.


What if I used that absurd reasoning with you??? What if every time you used scripture to expose my interpretation as error, I simply responded that YOU KNOW NOTHING, and I teach God's truth and God revealed this truth to me and stop personally attacking me! What utter dispicable hypocrisy would that be!

Biblicist,
Just look at what you are doing right now. Just look at the last post you said to me. Look at all the posts you make to me. You spend too much time attacking me personally. What you say right here is proof that it is you and not I.

 

[Moriah]

Well, paul and I agree on justification, do you?

What is your description of justification?

 

[The Biblicist]

Biblicist,
Just look at what you are doing right now. Just look at the last post you said to me. Look at all the posts you make to me. You spend too much time attacking me personally. What you say right here is proof that it is you and not I.

Ahhhh! You just proved what I said!

 

[Moriah]

Ahhhh! You just proved what I said!

You just cannot stop yourself.

 

[The Biblicist]

You just cannot stop yourself.

There is no point in debating you simply because the Word of God is not your final authority. Every single time you are pressed about your obvious misinterpretations of a text your flee to self-glorifying defenses such as "Christ revealed this to me" or "I speak the truth" or "I only speak what God's Word says" all of which have nothing to do with the text you are being challenged with or the contradictions you make that are being placed in your face.

You are simply a joke when it comes to any serious debate.