And now you begin your usual posting of irrelevant citations. NONE of these support your silly notion that the creature chooses to be born.
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And now you begin your usual posting of irrelevant citations. NONE of these support your silly notion that the creature chooses to be born.
And you continue the usual posting of irrelevant citations. NONE of these support your silly notion that the creature chooses to be born.
37818
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God solely does the saving.
Do you actually deny God actually offers salvation as a gift?
Ephesians 2:8-9, For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Where is the offer that you see there? It's a statement of fact, not an offer or an invitation, and this statement of fact is addressed to "to the saints that are at Ephesus, and the faithful in Christ Jesus".
Silverhair
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How can you have an actual personal faith if that faith has to be given to you? You had nothing to do with the faith you call your personal faith.
Plus when you look at what calvinism posits since you have nothing to do with your salvation how can you know for sure you are saved? You have to hope that God actually picked you out before the foundation of the world.
That is the situation that the calvinist philosophy put you in.
Why did you leave out the birthing part?... Brother Glen
John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
You're going to have hard time explaining verses 28 and 29... Does the Bible teach two resurrections?
John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me... Brother Glen
canadyjd
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Yes or no. Are you saying I don’t have faith in Jesus for salvation?
I don’t need a lecture pushing your continuous mischaracterization of the doctrines of grace.
Yes or no! Are you denying I am saved? Girdle up your loins and answer like a man of conviction, if that is possible.
peace to you
Silverhair
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When we look at your DoG/TULIP @canadyjd and then the LBCF what we find is that everything you do has been determined for you. You think you are saved not because you have a personal faith but one that was given to you or at least you hope you have a real faith as you can never know according to the philosophy you follow. God could have just determined that you think the way you do.
Why do you get upset when I point out the logical position you are in considering your theological view.
Do you as a reformed not agree with this text?
God hath decreed in himself, from all eternity, by the most wise and holy counsel of His own will, freely and unchangeably, all things, whatsoever comes to pass; LBCF
Your determinism is the fatal flaw in your philosophy.
Well us Sovereign Grace brethren leave them to their own and they can revel that they are adding to the pot but we know that the ONLY soul winner is Jesus Christ... If not please explain to me where ALL these people came from?... Brother Glen
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
And Van... He doesn't need any help
One Day, Sir, you will actually address the biblical view.
1 Corinthians 9:22 (NASB)
to the weak I became as weak, that I might gain [win] the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
Does this verse indicate Paul, rather than God actually saves individuals? Nope The idea is through evangelism, humans aid in bringing people to an understanding of the gospel, acting as ambassadors of Christ. How might we "win" or persuade or contribute to the understanding of lost individuals? Do we talk people into Christ? Nope. God alone puts individuals whose faith He alone credits as righteousness into Christ. But we can till the ground, helping to prepare an individual to receive the gospel, and we can plant, presenting God's word concerning the gospel, and we can reinforce a lost person's consideration of the gospel by fellowship and example.
At the heart of the issue is not anyone claiming to save people, a false claim used to deflect, but whether or not lost people can be receptive to our witness, which of course Calvinism denies, i.e. the "T" of the TULIP.
Are the fields really "white for harvest" or is Calvinism right and the lost have no ability to seek God or trust in Christ.
Dictators tend to hold on to their disillusion until the very end, such as the polls do not indicate I am losing the swing states, or "your faith" does not mean "your faith" but rather God's faith instilled by irresistible grace.
Dictators tend to hold on to their disillusion until the very end, such as the polls do not indicate I am losing the swing states, or "your faith" does not mean "your faith" but rather God's faith instilled by irresistible grace.
I think you need to read the context again... Is the word saved always eternal?... Just for you and for those that are interested, here are the five points that need to be consider reading scripture...
1. Saved by what?
2. Saved from what?
3. Saved by whom?
4. Saved to whom?
5. Saved how?
God saving us alone... An exclusive act of God, by his Love, Grace and Mercy
Something we do in partnership with God, but distinctly by our faithful actions... Discipleship
Acts 27:31 Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved.
Now does anyone really believe that this is talking about eternal salvation?... Brother Glen
I think you need to read the context again... Is the word saved always eternal?... Just for you and for those that are interested, here are the five points that need to be consider reading scripture...
1. Saved by what?
2. Saved from what?
3. Saved by whom?
4. Saved to whom?
5. Saved how?
God saving us alone... An exclusive act of God, by his Love, Grace and Mercy
Something we do in partnership with God, but distinctly by our faithful actions... Discipleship
Acts 27:31 Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved.
Now does anyone really believe that this is talking about eternal salvation?... Brother Glen
One Day, Sir, you will actually address the biblical view.
1 Corinthians 9:22 (NASB)
to the weak I became as weak, that I might gain [win] the weak. I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.
Does this verse indicate Paul, rather than God actually saves individuals? Nope The idea is through evangelism, humans aid in bringing people to an understanding of the gospel, acting as ambassadors of Christ. How might we "win" or persuade or contribute to the understanding of lost individuals? Do we talk people into Christ? Nope. God alone puts individuals whose faith He alone credits as righteousness into Christ. But we can till the ground, helping to prepare an individual to receive the gospel, and we can plant, presenting God's word concerning the gospel, and we can reinforce a lost person's consideration of the gospel by fellowship and example.
At the heart of the issue is not anyone claiming to save people, a false claim used to deflect, but whether or not lost people can be receptive to our witness, which of course Calvinism denies, i.e. the "T" of the TULIP.
The context of 1 Corinthians 9:22 indicates Paul's evangelism might contribute to the eternal salvation of some, by tilling the ground, planting and watering. Those who object do not believe evangelism actually contributes to the faith of those of the fields white for harvest.
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Your post simply ignored my post so I posted it again, hoping you would respond to the actual word of God.You were saying?... You double posted!... Brother Glen
Once again the Calvinist tries to change the subject to my attitude, based on mind reading. Folks, just read my post #34, and the actual word of God presented, i.e. 1 Corinthians 9:22.
At the heart of the issue is not anyone claiming to speak for God, a false claim used to deflect, but whether or not lost people can be receptive to our witness, which of course Calvinism denies, i.e. the "T" of the TULIP.
Ask yourselves why all these efforts at deflection derived from deceit, rather than addressing the two very different views of the effectiveness of evangelism.
Silverhair
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I think you need to read the context again... Is the word saved always eternal?... Just for you and for those that are interested, here are the five points that need to be consider reading scripture...
1. Saved by what?
2. Saved from what?
3. Saved by whom?
4. Saved to whom?
5. Saved how?
God saving us alone... An exclusive act of God, by his Love, Grace and Mercy
Something we do in partnership with God, but distinctly by our faithful actions... Discipleship
Acts 27:31 Paul said to the centurion and to the soldiers, Except these abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved.
Now does anyone really believe that this is talking about eternal salvation?... Brother Glen
Why would anyone think that Act 27:31 relates to eternal salvation?
You asked a series of questions looking for a specific answer but you failed to ask why one is saved. The bible is clear on that.
1Ti 2:3 This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Ti 2:4 who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
1Jn 2:2 and He Himself is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for those of the whole world.
Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Eph 1:13 In Him, you also, after listening to the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation—having also believed, you were sealed in Him with the Holy Spirit of promise,
Rom 10:9 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;
The bible provides the answers to your questions if you will just trust what it says.
There you go again, dishonestly twisting other's words.That's NOT at all what @tyndale1946 intended. 'Saved' (sozo) in the passage is being saved/rescued/delivered from literal shipwreck in this temporal realm, as opposed to eternity.
Your perpetual dishonesty disgusts me.