The Bible condemns OSAS doctrine.. yet some folks still believe it

Choose the Bible - as your basis for doctrine

Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified

 

True in almost every discussion on every topic when we look at the people "posting" --

But when you look at the people IM-ing and reading ... not so cut-and-dried in favor of the idea of "no such thing as objective unbiased Bible student"

 

They can choose that - but the loyal Angels have not chosen it - and the compelling evidence from our own 6000 year experiment in sin and rebellion on earth - is likely the best "vaccine" against anyone "choosing" rebellion in the future.

 

Choose the Bible - as your basis for doctrine

Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified

creative writing?
or wishful thinking?

Simple question for you - where we can all see the answer plainly in the text.

In Matthew 18 what is the action that is referenced by Christ as "doing the SAME to you" in Matthew 18

35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

You and I both know that we can all see in Matthew 18 what the answer to that question is.

If the defense of OSAS means pretending not to see what texts are saying if they in any way conflict with OSAS - then it is already a fallen doctrine

 

Some folks might "wish" that the defense of any given doctrine is "successful" as long as you claim to believe in it no matter what details must be ignored in scriptures that oppose it. But admitting to having to use such tactics (by outright using those tactics right here on the board for all to see) is to admit that the doctrine did not survive sola-scriptura testing.

 

I am more than happy to read some Baptist doctrine that proposes that "fully forgiven" means "not forgiven, lost and going to hell". You have not even attempted such a doctrinal statement yet post as if you had already proven that all Baptist believe such a thing.

Clearly that is probblem

 

Choose the Bible - as your basis for doctrine

Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

Romans 11
19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” 20 Quite right, they were broken off for their unbelief, but you stand by your faith. Do not be conceited, but fear; 21 for if God did not spare the natural branches, He will not spare you, either. 22 Behold then the kindness and severity of God; to those who fell, severity, but to you, God’s kindness, if you continue in His kindness; otherwise you also will be cut off. 23 And they also, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again.

1 Cor 6
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified

Well first of all I agree that we do not lose salvation each time we sin after we are saved/born-again. But that is not the issue in Matthew 18 (for example). As we both probably know.

In Matthew 18 we have "full forgiveness" I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded

Matt 18
32 Then summoning him, his lord *said to him, ‘You wicked slave, I forgave you all that debt because you pleaded with me. 33 Should you not also have had mercy on your fellow slave, in the same way that I had mercy on you?’ 34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

In Matthew 18 we have full "forgiveness revoked" not merely the debt for the new transgression but ALL the previous debt.

34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him

And then worst of all we have Christ speaking outside of the parable to His fully forgiven followers saying this --


Matt 18
35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

"The SAME" in this case - refers to the "full forgiveness revoked" act in vs 34.. as we both see.

That is an irrefutable problem for OSAS.

Here is a point where apparently we both agree. vs 35 is very obvious in referring to the action of vs 34 this is irrefutable and would be taken gladly if one did not have an a priori directive that would not allow it.

Before we got too far from the text.

Matt 18
34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him. 35 My heavenly Father will also do the same to you, if each of you does not forgive his brother from your heart.”

"Do the same" can only reference the "doing" that we see in vs 34. This is irrefutable

not true at all.

We can for the sake of clarity - change the text to make it purgatory this way.

Matt 18

The servant owed a few weeks wages..34 And his lord, moved with anger, handed him over to the torturers until he should repay all that was owed him and then let him out with all debts settled - restored to favor.

But the chapter says the servant owed more than it was even possible for him to pay and still live - more than a life time.

This in the actual text "repay all" would be fatal. You have "inserted" the idea that possibly the story is leading the reader to think that it was survivable. But the chapter is very careful to point out that it was more than he could pay in his lifetime.

Your suggestion requires that we ignore that key detail. The sin debt of the sinner is more than the sinner can afford to pay -- he will not survive. The "I forgave you ALL" is a reference for us - to God forgiving us for all our sins. None of this is of the form " or you could also go to heaven if you pay your own sins". No "nice heaven" is being offered even in symbol to the servant who has his forgiveness revoked. The parable only offers him torture..

; because, to follow this example, the man was only in torment "till he should pay all that was due unto him."

To be honest nothing in the actual chapter even remotely directs the reader that direction.

We could for the sake of clarity edit the chapter to insert the idea you have suggested.

33 and so his fellow servants were unhappy with him - so also was the king and he had to endure their displeasure for a while. 34 So you too if you do not forgive others will have to endure the unhappy feelings of others for a short while.

Nothing at all of that sort is actually in the chapter as we both probably know.

The difference is I don't have a framework for the Gospel and salvation that would require me to try to re-imagine the text out to that extreme level so as to assist me in much-needed inserted inference.