The Bible confirms in Matthew 1:21b who it is Jesus Gave Himself to Save, as in who He died for and why He died for them.

[Alan Dale Gross]

Sheep are also sacrificed in Scripture. There are many different uses of the word.

I don’t believe that you use all of them accurately.

You follow up your waste of time with the "General vs Specific Argument" saying "There are many different uses of the word",
with your Gratuitious Assersion Fallacy where you take the liberty of assuming gratitude has been extended to you to just make something up and say anything vague, then handing me an empty bluff, when the reverse corollary would be where you have to extend to me the same gratitude, only with my Assertion being that I believe I that I used the word "sheep" accurately, just fine on anyone's scale of gradation.

Nobody asked what you don't believe, or do.

Nobody asked you to condescend down with your determinizing degree, of "I don’t believe that you use all of them accurately."

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

I’m paying attention. But I don’t agree with you. I think you take Calvinist liberties.

Do you really think you know anything about what you call "Calvinism" to believe you could distinguish a "liberty" from it.

You are the hyper Calvinist (who is not lazy).

This is where I would you suggest that you not brag on your ignorance.

 

[Ben1445]

As long as we remember that just because "the gospel is to be preached to every man" doesn't mean that we can be sure that it has been, or ever will be, as far as trying to include that we could know every human Being that ever lived has been Preached the Gospel, in the proper sense. We don't. And it may be God's Intension that some never have the Gospel Preached specifiacally to include every person ever born. We don't know.

This really is an oxymoronic statement.
“God told us to do it but we can’t really be sure that He actually meant that He wanted us to really do it.”
Only a hyper-cal can come up with this kind idea.

 

[Ben1445]

The way God Put that in the Teachings of His Eternally Giving Grace to His Chosen Elect is "I Will have Mercy on whom I Will have Mercy" and it is implied in His Bible Doctrines of Grace that, therefore, not all men Receive His Grace, as in Romans 1:24; "Wherefore God also Gave them Up..." Romans 1.

"Doctrines" means "Teachings" of God's Eternal Grace which pretty much covers the subject matter without your indictment in anger against God where you think you need to emphasize what you have determined is unfair by your standards.

That is inconsistent with being in a State of Repentance Toward God isn't it?

And you want to set your Limits up to where you have higher standards than God and would have made it possible for any individual to be Saved if they wanted to be and just Punished Jesus and those who do not agree to go to Heaven, with Duplicate and Double Punishments for the same offences.

Jesus only died once. And it was once for all.
There is no double punishment on Christ. There is only the greater sin and the greater punishment of rejecting the Christ that has been preached to us and in some cases had the benefit of great works. Chorazin and Bethsaida are examples of this.

 

[Ben1445]

Nobody asked you to condescend down with your determinizing degree, of "I don’t believe that you use all of them accurately."

Once more, this is a public forum.

Do you need tissues?

 

[Ben1445]

Do you really think you know anything about what you call "Calvinism" to believe you could distinguish a "liberty" from it.

Yes. You are not the only person who can understand Calvinism. The last time I knew it was not a secret society. (Correct me if I’m wrong)
I am well aware that you don’t like being called a hyper Calvinist because of your double predestination. It doesn’t really matter if you like it or not. You can’t just make up your own definition of hyper because you don’t like it applied to what you believe.

 

[Psalty]

The way God Put that in the Teachings of His Eternally Giving Grace to His Chosen Elect is "I Will have Mercy on whom I Will have Mercy" and it is implied in His Bible Doctrines of Grace that, therefore, not all men Receive His Grace, as in Romans 1:24; "Wherefore God also Gave them Up..." Romans 1.

"Doctrines" means "Teachings" of God's Eternal Grace which pretty much covers the subject matter without your indictment in anger against God where you think you need to emphasize what you have determined is unfair by your standards.

That is inconsistent with being in a State of Repentance Toward God isn't it?

And you want to set your Limits up to where you have higher standards than God and would have made it possible for any individual to be Saved if they wanted to be and just Punished Jesus and those who do not agree to go to Heaven, with Duplicate and Double Punishments for the same offences.

I appreciate that you follow the dbl predesrination route. I believe that it is the only consistent way to be a calvinist and i thinknyou are miles ahead of the compatibalists for it.

But I think you should bring that out when you talk about it. In your view, Gods grace is not for all and is limited in scope.

I personally disagree and quoted 2 Pet 2:1. I dont thinknyou are accounting for some straightforward verses that would show that Gods doctrine is unlimited Grace.

 

[Ben1445]

The way God Put that in the Teachings of His Eternally Giving Grace to His Chosen Elect is "I Will have Mercy on whom I Will have Mercy" and it is implied in His Bible Doctrines of Grace that, therefore, not all men Receive His Grace, as in Romans 1:24; "Wherefore God also Gave them Up..." Romans 1.

"Doctrines" means "Teachings" of God's Eternal Grace which pretty much covers the subject matter without your indictment in anger against God where you think you need to emphasize what you have determined is unfair by your standards.

That is inconsistent with being in a State of Repentance Toward God isn't it?

And you want to set your Limits up to where you have higher standards than God and would have made it possible for any individual to be Saved if they wanted to be and just Punished Jesus and those who do not agree to go to Heaven, with Duplicate and Double Punishments for the same offences.

Isaiah 40:2

Speak ye comfortably to Jerusalem, and cry unto her,
that her warfare is accomplished,
that her iniquity is pardoned:
for she hath received of the LORD's hand double for all her sins.

 

[Alan Dale Gross]

I said that you don’t use Scripture accurately in your defense of the limited grace of God.

You defame God by making Him a respecter of persons

selecting some to be gloriously punished

Your word "selecting" brings an unjust indictment against God, in that there is an Infinite difference between "selecting to Damnation" and "not selecting to Eternal Life".

The end result is the same, but the sinner was simply not selected by God by a Positive Decree to Damn them; that is, God didn't Make them a sinner, or Choose to Damn them; their own sin as a sinner made them a sinner Doomed to be Damned to Hell.

You have God glorying in the death of the wicked, something that is strictly against the character of God.

You have yourself questioning God with what you will allow Him to do with what He has Created,

as in Romans 9:19; "Thou wilt say then unto me,
Why doth He yet find fault? For who hath resisted His Will?

20; "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God?
Shall the thing Formed say to Him that Formed it, Why hast Thou Made me thus?

21; "Hath not the Potter Power over the clay,
of the same lump to make one vessel unto honor, and another unto dishonor?

And it is not the death of the wicked that Shows God's Glory, but it is with the Saved in 9:23;
where "He might Make Known the Riches of His Glory on the Vessels of Mercy,
which He had afore Prepared unto Glory,

compared to the lost where He says He is Showing His Wrath and to Make His Power Known, in 9:22;
"What if God, Willing to Shew His Wrath, and to Make His Power Known,
Endured with much Longsuffering the Vessels of Wrath Fitted to Destruction:",

WHERE, AGAIN, GOD DOES NOT SAY THERE THAT HE FITTED "the Vessels of Wrath Fitted for Destruction", since it is the sinners, by their sins against God, that Fitted themselves to Destruction, making them Vessels of Wrath.

"Say unto them, As I Live, saith the Lord GOD, I have No Pleasure in the death of the wicked;
but that the wicked Turn from his way and Live:
turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O House of Israel?" Ezekiel 33:11.

Now if you care to dispense with your junior high level retorts, we can discuss the topic at hand.
If you are just interested in roasting users, start a new thread for it.

For you to continually, intentionally, or unintentionally, 'roast' God, and accuse Him of being responsible for the sin of sinners, or that God Actively Decreed the Damnation of a select number from among all the souls of Mankind, when it is the sinner's sin against God as God-Hating sinners that Damns them to Hell, is what I would care to see us dispense with.

God definitely did Positively select some God-Hating sinners who would otherwise been Damned to Hell, to Show Mercy on them, or no one would have ever given up their love of Darkness, nor Come to His Light, and everyone would have Suffered in the Torments of Hell, Forever, and never be able to pay their sin debts against the One and Only, True and Living, Thrice-Holy God, of Eternal Justice.

 

[Ascetic X]

1 John 2:10

He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.




1 Timothy 2

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.




2 Corinthians 5:15

And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.