The Bible Is Clear: Adam Was a Historical Person

[Rolfe]

To neglect the human element in Scripture is to miss what Scripture is. Be careful.

Saying that the writer could overrule Divine inspiration by penning errors makes the Bible just another book and not much to base one's faith on.

All Scripture is given by inspiration, according to 2 Timothy 3:16. To say that Our Lord inspired factual falsehoods makes Him out to be a liar.

 

[Greektim]

Saying that the writer could overrule Divine inspiration by penning errors makes the Bible just another book and not much to base one's faith on.

All Scripture is given by inspiration, according to 2 Timothy 3:16. To say that Our Lord inspired factual falsehoods makes Him out to be a liar.

Saying that God neglected the style, penchant, and propensities of the writers as well as their background, upbringing, and theological heritage makes the Bible out to be some holy book that it never claims to be. The Bible, much like the hypostatic union of Jesus, is a mysterious thing. You make it so simple that it is simplistic. You would rather it be hand written by the Holy Spirit himself than be in awe of the miracle of God inspiring men, fallible men, to write his word.

 

[Revmitchell]

Saying that God neglected the style, penchant, and propensities of the writers as well as their background, upbringing, and theological heritage makes the Bible out to be some holy book that it never claims to be. The Bible, much like the hypostatic union of Jesus, is a mysterious thing. You make it so simple that it is simplistic. You would rather it be hand written by the Holy Spirit himself than be in awe of the miracle of God inspiring men, fallible men, to write his word.

I am sorry but this post is sad and misleading. What you should have said in order to be intellectually honest was that God allowed the mistakes and errors of the human ability to seep into scripture. And that is heresy.

 

[gb93433]

I am sorry but this post is sad and misleading. What you should have said in order to be intellectually honest was that God allowed the mistakes and errors of the human ability to seep into scripture. And that is heresy.

"Saying that God neglected the style, penchant, and propensities of the writers as well as their background, upbringing, and theological heritage makes the Bible out to be some holy book that it never claims to be."

If you do not believe that then how would you reconcile Exodus 20:13, "You shall not murder" (the command to not murder) and God telling Abraham to sacrifice Isaac.

I would contend that God used what Abraham already knew to reach him and He still does that today with everyone.

In the Gospels Jesus spoke using examples and illustrations the people identified with. When Jesus spoke with the Sadducees he used the Torah and with the Pharisees he used the entire OT. Does that make any one part of the OT any more or less inspired?

It is obvious that the NT writers used Greek language that shows it is their second language. The NT was written to those with a Jewish background by those who used Greek as a second language. Clearly Paul's use of Greek is far superior to that of John's. Paul's grammar is far better and correct too. Throughout most of the NT Hebrew phrases following Hebrew language patterns are used which is not typical of a Greek writer whose mother tongue is Greek. It would be much the same idea of a writer whose mother language is Spanish and is learning English who writes with a similar word order used in Spanish.

 

[Yeshua1]

To neglect the human element in Scripture is to miss what Scripture is. Be careful.

The holy spirit moved upon the authors of ALL scripture in such a fashion that even though they wrote as they wanted to, he made sure ALL that was recorded down was without any errors/mistakes in the original!

Was Jesus erring when he viewed adam as being a real person, that the fall literally happened as historical event?

 

[Yeshua1]

Saying that God neglected the style, penchant, and propensities of the writers as well as their background, upbringing, and theological heritage makes the Bible out to be some holy book that it never claims to be. The Bible, much like the hypostatic union of Jesus, is a mysterious thing. You make it so simple that it is simplistic. You would rather it be hand written by the Holy Spirit himself than be in awe of the miracle of God inspiring men, fallible men, to write his word.

The Finished product was given to us BY GOD, threu human instruments, but the Holy Spirit made sure that ALL they wrote was accurate and true!

Do you deny that God could give us His word without mistakes/errors?

 

[Rolfe]

Saying that God neglected the style, penchant, and propensities of the writers as well as their background, upbringing, and theological heritage...

I said no such thing. What I do dispute is the idea that God would inspire error or that mistakes by the writers were allowed by Him.

...makes the Bible out to be some holy book that it never claims to be.

Of course it claims to be. Again, 2 Timothy 3:16: "All Scripture is given by inspiration of God..."

 

[Rolfe]

The Finished product was given to us BY GOD, threu human instruments, but the Holy Spirit made sure that ALL they wrote was accurate and true!

Do you deny that God could give us His word without mistakes/errors?

Agree with the statement and second the question.

 

[Aaron]

Saying that God neglected the style, penchant, and propensities of the writers as well as their background, upbringing, and theological heritage makes the Bible out to be some holy book that it never claims to be. The Bible, much like the hypostatic union of Jesus, is a mysterious thing. You make it so simple that it is simplistic. You would rather it be hand written by the Holy Spirit himself than be in awe of the miracle of God inspiring men, fallible men, to write his word.

Paul counted all his history as manure.

 

[Yeshua1]

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Agree with the statement and second the question.

Greektim seems to be sounding here close to a bartian view of scripture, or else being a limited inerrancy...As he seems to accept the bible has been corrupted, has false statements in it, but that the meaning God intended us to get from it needs to be revealed to us, that it has a spiritual meaning, and that it still is accurate as so much it presents jesus as the messiah!

 

[Rolfe]

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Greektim seems to be sounding here close to a bartian view of scripture, or else being a limited inerrancy...As he seems to accept the bible has been corrupted, has false statements in it, but that the meaning God intended us to get from it needs to be revealed to us, that it has a spiritual meaning, and that it still is accurate as so much it presents jesus as the messiah!

It must be a shaky faith to be based on such an uncertain foundation.

 

[quantumfaith]

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Greektim seems to be sounding here close to a bartian view of scripture, or else being a limited inerrancy...As he seems to accept the bible has been corrupted, has false statements in it, but that the meaning God intended us to get from it needs to be revealed to us, that it has a spiritual meaning, and that it still is accurate as so much it presents jesus as the messiah!

What is the Barthian view of scripture?

 

[gb93433]

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Greektim seems to be sounding here close to a bartian view of scripture, or else being a limited inerrancy...As he seems to accept the bible has been corrupted, has false statements in it, but that the meaning God intended us to get from it needs to be revealed to us, that it has a spiritual meaning, and that it still is accurate as so much it presents jesus as the messiah!

The statement "all Cretans are liars" is that true or false?

 

[Aaron]

It's true.

 

[gb93433]

It's true.

The saying is from the Cretan philosopher Epimenides. Are you saying that what Epimenides said is accurate assessment of all Cretans?

 

[Revmitchell]

The saying is from the Cretan philosopher Epimenides. Are you saying that what Epimenides said is accurate assessment of all Cretans?

What odes that have to do with the topic of this thread?

 

[gb93433]

What odes that have to do with the topic of this thread?

Think about how your answer has a lot to do with how you view scripture?

 

[Yeshua1]

What is the Barthian view of scripture?

The the Bible becomes the word of God to us once the Holy Spirit reveals it as such to us...

The Bible NOT inerrant/inspired in traditional sense, but become alive to us as the bible once revealed by the Holy Spirit..

Not important as to if errors/mistakes in it, but that the Spirit witnesses thru them to us that Jesus is the Messiah!

Barthian view, it becomes word of God once the Spirit illuminates it to us!

 

[Yeshua1]

Think about how your answer has a lot to do with how you view scripture?

Do you see errors and mistakes in the originals then from God?

 

[gb93433]

Do you see errors and mistakes in the originals then from God?

I believe the text is as God wanted it. The problem is when we take liberty with the text and stop short or go past what the text taught to the people it was written for. Most of the people were those with a Jewish background which is very different than how we think. So we must interpret and translate with that in mind and have in mind the people with discuss scripture with.