The Biblical Basis for some Catholic Distinctives

[One Baptism]

Which one is that?

The Seventh-day Adventist Movement (Revelation 10:6,11, 12:17, 14:6-7,12).

 

[Ginnyfree]

When was it in doubt?

Depends on what you mean. Eternal torment and suffering? No. Eternally dead and gone (annihilated forever) yes..........Begin to ask, where are the all of the wicked [including Satan and his angels] standing in Revelation 20:8-9? Do they [the wicked] live there eternally or are they rather not completely destroyed so that the New Heaven and the New Earth may be created there, wherein dwelleth righteousness, peace, no more tears, pain or sorrow or sin or satan?

"...and there was found no place for them." Revelation 20:11; Daniel 2:35
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See also - https://www.christianityboard.com/t...genesis-3-4-not-surely-die.26178/#post-414738

surely you know this Scripture:
In Zion sinners are in dread,

trembling grips the impious:

“Who of us can live with consuming fire?

who of us can live with everlasting flames?” Isaiah 33:14.

If you aren't satisfied with the prophet Isaiah, then perhaps the Words of our Blessed Lord Himself on the matter of Hell being eternal punishment: "Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink. Then they will answer and say, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or ill or in prison, and not minister to your needs?’ And these will go off to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” Matthew 25:41-46 Do you really want to say Jesus is lying about Hell being an eternal fire for the punishment of sinners and the devils? Also please note in the passage cited, that those He is judging worthy of Hell aren't going there for what they did, but rather for what the didn't do. Faith without works is dead. God bless. Ginnyfree.

 

[Walter]

The Seventh-day Adventist Movement (Revelation 10:6,11, 12:17, 14:6-7,12).

As your SDA hospitals continue to murder innocent unborn children and your official SDA website condones pro-choice, how can you continue in such a 'church'???

 

[Walter]

The Seventh-day Adventist Movement (Revelation 10:6,11, 12:17, 14:6-7,12).

Meanwhile, as those Adventists abortion mills are tearing the arms and legs of babies in the womb their Adventist hospital cafeterias are refusing to serve pork. Eating pork is very unhealthy and unbiblical while murdering children is 'an acceptable choice' since the hospital is not 'run by pastors'. Last time I was in the local Adventist hospital the chapel there was full of SDA literature. Of course, according to Bob, this is just a coincidence since these Adventist hospitals have nothing to do with the SDA. I wonder if I were to leave Catholic bible study literature in their chapel how long it would remain there. LOL!!!!

 

[Walter]

Here is all one needs to know about the SDA cult. The SDA is pro-choice and voted that way by over 93%. This is proof provided by a member of the SDA. His position is that the SDA MUST reverse this position or it cannot truly be 'the remnant': He better not hold his breath. SDA abortion mills make SO much money killing babies they would never stop.

 

[Deadworm]

Ginny, hon!

If you come in here as a newbie and leave all these Baptists crushed and bleeding on the rhetorical sidewalk of the refuted, then I'm left with playing the bully role and kicking Baptists when they're down. Sigh! Oh well, I'll just let 'em shoot their wad for a while, and then--bam!

 

[Walter]

One of the distinctives of the Catholci Church is that it is 100% pro-life. That is biblically supported and no church that condones abortion can claim to be biblically sound. The SDA is clearly pro-choice. Their Adventists hospitals carry out abortions on demand every day of the year. Their church knows this and condones it. The hospitals and the church is a stench in the nostrils of the Lord.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

First off, I believe this OP was supposed to be about growing churches & much was directed at Roman Catholics who are in fact growing. Why? Well there is allot of reasons. If you look at the North East, Catholics have a ton of presence. I can go to a website for Catholics and type up churches in the area & get a plethora of churches w/i 10 mile area. You cant find that in baptist or reformed churches so right then an there the RC's promote convenience & community. Here is one church in New Jersey I like.

Next they are really steeped in tradition. Christmas, Easter, weekly Mass, Family Breakfasts tends to keep people coming (They are in effect fostering a Faith Community). Of course there are things that I cant stand but.....

Its the families religion. Families of European extractions most of the time view Catholicism as the family church. Add to that the Latins and they sustain their presents.

Lastly the curious....the ones that want something different, not the same old same old start going & are welcomed in. Then there is the lapsed catholic who go somewhere for a while & find that these other religions ain't all that they are cracked up to be. The RCC has marketing programs like "Welcome Home" and the "Journey Home" that they use to entice people who were Catholic & not comfortable with Protestantism, Buddhism whatever back into the fold.

 

[Walter]

First off, I believe this OP was supposed to be about growing churches & much was directed at Roman Catholics who are in fact growing. Why? Well there is allot of reasons. If you look at the North East, Catholics have a ton of presence. I can go to a website for Catholics and type up churches in the area & get a plethora of churches w/i 10 mile area. You cant find that in baptist or reformed churches so right then an there the RC's promote convenience & community. Here is one church in New Jersey I like.

Next they are really steeped in tradition. Christmas, Easter, weekly Mass, Family Breakfasts tends to keep people coming (They are in effect fostering a Faith Community). Of course there are things that I cant stand but.....

Its the families religion. Families of European extractions most of the time view Catholicism as the family church. Add to that the Latins and they sustain their presents.

Lastly the curious....the ones that want something different, not the same old same old start going & are welcomed in. Then there is the lapsed catholic who go somewhere for a while & find that these other religions ain't all that they are cracked up to be. The RCC has marketing programs like "Welcome Home" and the "Journey Home" that they use to entice people who were Catholic & not comfortable with Protestantism, Buddhism whatever back into the fold.

I do believe you nailed it! I now live in the Pacific Northwest, I just moved from Central California where the Catholic Church cannot build churches fast enough and people actually stand lining the walls in order to attend mass. Honestly, part of that is the swell of Latino immigrants. Most priests are bi-lingual. However, I live in a town that is 90% Caucasian and the Catholic Church here has packed pews also. What you posted is taking place here as well along with monthly evangelism retreats which has many people with no church affiliations and lapsed Catholics attending. Each evangelism retreat gives the opportunity for each attendee to repent of their sins and turn to Christ as Savior and Lord. I know there are things about Catholicism that you will probably never accept and 'can't stand', but I believe you summed up the reasons for the growth in the Catholic Church very well.

 

[Deadworm]

One of the distinctives of the Catholci Church is that it is 100% pro-life. That is biblically supported and no church that condones abortion can claim to be biblically sound. The SDA is clearly pro-choice. Their Adventists hospitals carry out abortions on demand every day of the year. Their church knows this and condones it. The hospitals and the church is a stench in the nostrils of the Lord.

John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, championed these 4 sources of divine truth: Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience. Most Baptists downplay the importance of tradition in the quest for Christian truth. But you, Walter, have brought up one of the many issues for which tradition is crucial.

The Bible never explicitly condemns abortion. In fact, pro-choice churches invoke the Bible in defense of abortion (e. g. Exodus 21:22-23)! But I agree that the Bible's reverence for life and for God's role in creating life makes abortion wrong. The most important anti-abortion text from the NT era is not from the Bible: "Thou shalt not procure an abortion (Didache 2:4)." The Didache (French for the longer title "The Teaching of the Apostles") was composed in its final form around 95 AD. But the abortion prohibition is in The Two Ways section, which many scholars think was composed as early as the 50s AD. So this section may well be earlier than almost all the New Testament! In any case, the Didache attests the moral and spiritual values of the NT church. So it abortion prohibition crucially makes explicit what is only implicit in our Bible.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, championed these 4 sources of divine truth: Scripture, tradition, reason, and experience. Most Baptists downplay the importance of tradition in the quest for Christian truth. But you, Walter, have brought up one of the many issues for which tradition is crucial.

The Bible never explicitly condemns abortion. In fact, pro-choice churches invoke the Bible in defense of abortion (e. g. Exodus 21:22-23)! But I agree that the Bible's reverence for life and for God's role in creating life makes abortion wrong. The most important anti-abortion text from the NT era is not from the Bible: "Thou shalt not procure an abortion (Didache 2:4)." The Didache (French for the longer title "The Teaching of the Apostles") was composed in its final form around 95 AD. But the abortion prohibition is in The Two Ways section, which many scholars think was composed as early as the 50s AD. So this section may well be earlier than almost all the New Testament! In any case, the Didache attests the moral and spiritual values of the NT church. So it abortion prohibition crucially makes explicit what is only implicit in our Bible.

Exodus 21:22-23 in no way supports abortion. If the baby died during the altercation it was life for life. (Capital punishment)

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I do believe you nailed it! I now live in the Pacific Northwest, I just moved from Central California where the Catholic Church cannot build churches fast enough and people actually stand lining the walls in order to attend mass. Honestly, part of that is the swell of Latino immigrants. Most priests are bi-lingual. However, I live in a town that is 90% Caucasian and the Catholic Church here has packed pews also. What you posted is taking place here as well along with monthly evangelism retreats which has many people with no church affiliations and lapsed Catholics attending. Each evangelism retreat gives the opportunity for each attendee to repent of their sins and turn to Christ as Savior and Lord. I know there are things about Catholicism that you will probably never accept and 'can't stand', but I believe you summed up the reasons for the growth in the Catholic Church very well.

I was a Roman Catholic for 34 years Walter but became disillusioned with the revelation of pedophiles & coverups. Now Ive come to believe its prevalent in most Protestant churches as well. Back in the day, I was led to believe that Fundamentalism would be the great game changer so I jumped on the band wagon but I discovered that most of them refuse to listen to what the gospel authors are really saying to their communities--- but I do not wish to throw stones. Needless to say they just become authoritarian.

Catholicism is however growing, mostly on the East & West coast. Oddly enough Rhode Island, a state where Baptists emanated, has become a bastion of Catholicism.....approx 45%

 

[Wesley Briggman]

In this thread I will discuss the biblical basis for Catholic distinctives such as the Catholic doctrine of salvation, Purgatory, praying to the saints (including Mary), and Transubstantiation.

(1) Salvation: Typically evangelicals accuse Catholics of teaching a false works-based doctrine of salvation. In so doing, they unconsciously endorse Luther's dismissal of James as "an epistle of straw." Luther was appalled by James's declaration, "Was not our father Abraham justified by works when he offered his son Isaac on the altar (2:21)?" To Luther, this clashes with Paul's statement that evangelicals prefer to stress: "For by grace you are saved through faith, and this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God--not the result of works, lest any man should boast (Ephesians 2:8-9)." Catholics would draw the attention of evangelicals to the clarification of Abraham's salvation by works in James 2:22: "You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was brought to completion by the works." Ultimately Catholics view James and Paul as using language in different ways to express the same truth and want evangelicals to stress the whole counsel of God, including James.

From a Catholic perspective, many evangelicals fail to get 2 points:
(1) Both the Hebrew ("amunah") and Greek ("pistis") words translated "faith" also mean "faithfulness." So works in the sense of a new way of being are already built into the biblical concept of faith. That's why James asks this rhetorical question which assumes the obvious answer, "Of course not!"

"What good is it, brethren, if a man says he has faith but not works? Can faith save him (2:14)?"

James precludes the view that in itself belief and trust in Jesus as your Savior qualifies as true faith: "Show me your faith apart from works and I by my works will show you my faith (2:18)."

(2) From a Catholic perspective, evangelicals often fail to grasp the old philosophical distinction between necessary and sufficient conditions. In other words, as part of the new Christian way of being, works are a necessary condition for salvation, but not a sufficient condition; faith remains God's gift and salvation remains a matter of grace (= unmerited favor), and so, in that sense good works don't earn salvation. These insights help explain Paul's instruction, "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who is at work in you, enabling you both to will and to work for His good pleasure (Philippians 2:13)." Only God knows whether we "work out" our salvation through an adequate expression of faith/ faithfulness and so, this element of uncertainty warrants some "fear and trembling." On the other hand, since God loves us and Jesus died for us and since faith and salvation are God's work within us, we can have assurance that the loving God of grace will see us through to victory.

Catholics would remind evangelicals that the "goats" in Matthew 25:31-46 are not saved by simple belief and trust. The "goats" are damned for their failure to discern Christ's presence in the poor and needy:
"I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you gave me no clothing, sick and in prison and you did not visit me...Truly I tell you, just as you did not do it to the least of these, you did not do it to me (25:42-45)."

I will save my discussion of the relevance of the Eucharist here for my post on Transubstantiation.

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I asked this question in post #44 with no response.

What is the RCC distinctive concerning being born-again?

 

[Walter]

I asked this question in post #44 with no response.

What is the RCC distinctive concerning being born-again?

Normally, I won't post links in response to a question, but I believe Steve Ray (a former baptist pastor/evangelist), sums it up pretty well here (if you start listening about 10:26 he gets to the heart of your question).


https://www.catholic.com/audio/cal/8461

 

[Deadworm]

Normally, I won't post links in response to a question, but I believe Steve Ray (a former baptist pastor/evangelist), sums it up pretty well here (if you start listening about 10:26 he gets to the heart of your question).


https://www.catholic.com/audio/cal/8461

Walter has performed an invaluable service by posting this interview with Steve Ray. It debunks some ghastly evangelical stereotypes on the Catholic position on being "born again." It also confirms my summary of their position on this thread, but goes much deeper than my thread. As Walter notes, the listener must be patient until the 10:26 minute mark to hear the most biblically informative aspects of the Catholic teaching on salvation, but the interview is well worth the wait.

 

[One Baptism]

I do believe you nailed it! ...

Just posting these for later use, do not mind them for now. I am going to ask you a specific question later, and depending on your answer, will see where I go with these and more to come.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_sc.html

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles...by-a-majority-republican-nominated-court.html

http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/moderate_RC_position_on_contraception_abortion.htm

https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion

http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19670120-1.1.3

http://www.apostasie.org/news.php?item.85.1

https://web.archive.org/web/2013082...8/40-of-catholic-nuns-have-been-sexually.html

https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-jE8... the Catholic Church (2004)#page/n11/mode/1up

https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/just-catholic/nuns-rape-and-zika-virus

https://www.timesofmalta.com/articl...s/18th-century-nun-had-sought-abortion.662406

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...awsuit-over-their-hhs-mandate-exemption-35651

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...tholic-church-children-buried-at-tuam-ireland

https://timeline.com/pope-francis-g...ing-about-contraception-and-zika-6a9d5d0960cd

https://www.catholicleague.org/catholics-and-the-supreme-court-an-uneasy-relationship-2/

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/world/documents-allege-abuse-of-nuns-by-priests.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...posed-Sisters-sold-children-fallen-girls.html

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Salient36111973-t1-body-d29-d6.html

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-hospital-owned-by-nuns-will-perform-abortions

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/blog...-and-rape-of-nuns-by-priests-in-23-countries/

http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/Bishop-voices-opinion-in-hospital-abortion-issue-266228651.html

http://archive.vcstar.com/news/abortion-vs-saving-mothers-life-ep-368778325-349412731.html/

http://protectthepope.com/?p=8407

https://www.coloradoindependent.com/47198/sisters-of-charity-hospital-deal-altering-denver-area-care

https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...-are-carried-out-at-st-vincents-35654876.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...catholic-hospital-says-in-court-case/1863013/

https://www.aclu.org/blog/reproduct...-rights/one-nations-largest-catholic-hospital

http://www.usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/upload/direct-abortion-statement2010-06-23.pdf

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072

https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/33290/which-denominations-allow-abortions-and-why

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/68930/1/Christopoulos_John_201306_Phd_thesis.pdf

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1125&context=nd_naturallaw_forum

https://books.google.com/books?id=p...ishop of Florence, Antoninus Abortion&f=false

http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/documents/McDonaldAFRICAreport.htm

https://www.actl.com/docs/default-s...fpowell_lectureseries_2017_final.pdf?sfvrsn=6

 

[One Baptism]

Normally, I won't post links in response to a question...

Now that I have a few things ready to go on a subject that is constantly brought up (because they have nothing else, and do not even understand what they are talking about when they do post on it), with more detail as necessary.

Subject: 'Abortion'.

Here is my question to you Walter, even as I asked another on this forum. You get one opportunity to answer (or not answer, in either case matters not).

Question: Do you seriously want to enter into this subject of 'Abortion' with me, and look at it from the Bible's standpoint, from the historic and faithful Seventh-day Adventist movements position, or (read carefully please, as you only get this one opportunity) do you desire to continue with the hardly researched smear campaign because you cannot address directly other doctrinal matters, and hope to distract from these issues about the Papal system as the AntiChrist? If you do desire to actually have a real discussion on this issue of 'abortion', I will create a thread, and expect to be treated with respect and honest questions on the subject, otherwise, if no, and you desire to continue as you have, as others, I will come at you in the name of the LORD of hosts. If that should happen, I do not intend to spare you in the least graphic detail in regards the history and present happenings in the Roman Catholic church, but I intend to sever this line of approach from ever being brought up again with me.

Your decision. You have 1 day (24 hours) to decide. Beginning now from this time stamp of post.

Just posting these for later use, do not mind them for now. I am going to ask you a specific question later, and depending on your answer, will see where I go with these and more to come.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_sc.html

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles...by-a-majority-republican-nominated-court.html

http://www.religiousconsultation.org/News_Tracker/moderate_RC_position_on_contraception_abortion.htm

https://www.guttmacher.org/united-states/abortion

http://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/Digitised/Page/straitstimes19670120-1.1.3

http://www.apostasie.org/news.php?item.85.1

https://web.archive.org/web/2013082...8/40-of-catholic-nuns-have-been-sexually.html

https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-jE87IzV9MFhV07FV/Kennedy - Lucifer's Lodge - Satanic Ritual Abuse in the Catholic Church (2004)#page/n11/mode/1up

https://www.ncronline.org/blogs/just-catholic/nuns-rape-and-zika-virus

https://www.timesofmalta.com/articl...s/18th-century-nun-had-sought-abortion.662406

https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/...awsuit-over-their-hhs-mandate-exemption-35651

https://www.theguardian.com/comment...tholic-church-children-buried-at-tuam-ireland

https://timeline.com/pope-francis-g...ing-about-contraception-and-zika-6a9d5d0960cd

https://www.catholicleague.org/catholics-and-the-supreme-court-an-uneasy-relationship-2/

https://www.nytimes.com/2001/03/21/world/documents-allege-abuse-of-nuns-by-priests.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...posed-Sisters-sold-children-fallen-girls.html

http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-Salient36111973-t1-body-d29-d6.html

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/catholic-hospital-owned-by-nuns-will-perform-abortions

https://amazingdiscoveries.org/blog...-and-rape-of-nuns-by-priests-in-23-countries/

http://www.weau.com/home/headlines/Bishop-voices-opinion-in-hospital-abortion-issue-266228651.html

http://archive.vcstar.com/news/abortion-vs-saving-mothers-life-ep-368778325-349412731.html/

http://protectthepope.com/?p=8407

https://www.coloradoindependent.com/47198/sisters-of-charity-hospital-deal-altering-denver-area-care

https://www.independent.ie/irish-ne...-are-carried-out-at-st-vincents-35654876.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...catholic-hospital-says-in-court-case/1863013/

https://www.aclu.org/blog/reproduct...-rights/one-nations-largest-catholic-hospital

http://www.usccb.org/about/doctrine/publications/upload/direct-abortion-statement2010-06-23.pdf

https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=126985072

https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/33290/which-denominations-allow-abortions-and-why

https://tspace.library.utoronto.ca/bitstream/1807/68930/1/Christopoulos_John_201306_Phd_thesis.pdf

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1125&context=nd_naturallaw_forum

https://books.google.com/books?id=pSPoCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=archbishop+of+Florence,+Antoninus+Abortion&source=bl&ots=_0pE3Egsz-&sig=hmtmgAIOrSicakPjdpbuV1MmTyM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjji4LJhrjcAhVk0FQKHbo2As8Q6AEwA3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=archbishop of Florence, Antoninus Abortion&f=false

http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/documents/McDonaldAFRICAreport.htm

https://www.actl.com/docs/default-s...fpowell_lectureseries_2017_final.pdf?sfvrsn=6

 

[Walter]

Just posting these for later use, do not mind them for now. I am going to ask you a specific question later, and depending on your answer, will see where I go with these and more to come.


https://books.google.com/books?id=pSPoCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=archbishop+of+Florence,+Antoninus+Abortion&source=bl&ots=_0pE3Egsz-&sig=hmtmgAIOrSicakPjdpbuV1MmTyM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjji4LJhrjcAhVk0FQKHbo2As8Q6AEwA3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=archbishop of Florence, Antoninus Abortion&f=false

http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/documents/McDonaldAFRICAreport.htm

https://www.actl.com/docs/default-s...fpowell_lectureseries_2017_final.pdf?sfvrsn=6

Just posting these for later use, do not mind them for now. I am going to ask you a specific question later, and depending on your answer, will see where I go with these and more to come.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_sc.html

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles...by-a-majority-republican-nominated-court.html

aving-mothers-life-ep-368778325-349412731.html/

http://protectthepope.com/?p=8407


https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1125&context=nd_naturallaw_forum

https://books.google.com/books?id=pSPoCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA195&lpg=PA195&dq=archbishop+of+Florence,+Antoninus+Abortion&source=bl&ots=_0pE3Egsz-&sig=hmtmgAIOrSicakPjdpbuV1MmTyM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjji4LJhrjcAhVk0FQKHbo2As8Q6AEwA3oECAMQAQ#v=onepage&q=archbishop of Florence, Antoninus Abortion&f=false

http://natcath.org/NCR_Online/documents/McDonaldAFRICAreport.htm

https://www.actl.com/docs/default-s...fpowell_lectureseries_2017_final.pdf?sfvrsn=6

What individual Catholics whether they be bishops, priests,nuns, Supreme Court Justices, or laity say about abortion makes no difference. They have to answer to the Church which is ADAMANTlY anti-abortion. They cannot and do not change church doctrine or dogma. No Catholic hospital that is not Catholic in name only can perform abortion. Whereas, your Adventist abortion mills slice and dice babies on a daily basis with knowledge and consent of your apostate leadership. But like I said, don't you even think of ordering a ham sandwhich in you Adventists hospitals. Did you even bother to watch you SDA brother CONDEMNING your world church for condoning what is an abomination to God? Probably not. Please watch it and give me your rebuttal.

BTW, it is evident you want to AVOID your churches pro-abortion position in it's world church and Adventists hospitals. You avoid discussing the reality of your abortion mill church at all costs and do your best to single out individual nominal Catholics for examples of how 'Catholics are just as bad'. PATHETIC. Do yourself a favor a flee from this cult! However, even your false prophetess was anti-abortion. Your church has long departed from what she taught on the subject.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

It debunks some ghastly evangelical stereotypes on the Catholic position on being "born again."

Now you have sparked my curiosity. What ghastly evangelical stereotypes are debunked?

Here is a RCC publication addressing baptism. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p2s2c1a1.htm

Among other things, is contains the following:
The Baptism of infants

1250 Born with a fallen human nature and tainted by original sin, children also have need of the new birth in Baptism to be freed from the power of darkness and brought into the realm of the freedom of the children of God, to which all men are called.50 The sheer gratuitousness of the grace of salvation is particularly manifest in infant Baptism. The Church and the parents would deny a child the priceless grace of becoming a child of God (born -again) were they not to confer Baptism shortly after birth.51

Note: (born-again) inserted by me since this addresses my question.WB

1251 Christian parents will recognize that this practice also accords with their role as nurturers of the life that God has entrusted to them.52

1252 The practice of infant Baptism is an immemorial tradition of the Church. There is explicit testimony to this practice from the second century on, and it is quite possible that, from the beginning of the apostolic preaching, when whole "households" received baptism, infants may also have been baptized.53

 

[Walter]

One Baptism: You go ahead and start another threads on your pro-abortion SDA cult if you like. Bob did and all he could do is try to blame lapsed Catholic Supreme Court Judges for abortion being legal in the first place. He could not deny that the SDA is pro-abortion. The Catholic Church is pro-life and will always be pro-life. Your Adventist abortion mills continue to murder babies 24/7 with your churches consent. Satan chortles with each and every Adventist abortion. Deny that your official website is pro-choice. Answer the question, is abortion a sin?? Can you show me where the SDA condemns abortion? Bob failed miserably in his thread. Maybe you will do better but I will do just like you do and cut & paste all my previous posts from that thread to your new one. BTW, all your cut and paste ad nauseum (especially countless posting in Latin) is of no effect. Address the video produced by an SDA member in good standing calling out the SDA World Church for being pro-abortion. You refuse to respond to it.