The Birth and Nature of Christ

[Brother Bob]

did you not read the part I just colored blue?

Do you know what an animal is?

I guess you really are blind, there were different groups who came together for a study which included human study and animal study.

I really think you went overboard and owe me an apology for saying was I born of animals. But do as you like.

BBob,

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I did not say that you were born of animals, I asked a question.

Fact remains. the link you provided was different from what you posted with it. The link you provided spoke of animal breeding and genetics..

You were in err. You should have provided the correct link.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

SfiC: The "(as was supposed)" only means that Joseph was thought to be the father, not that he was.

HP: Needless to say we disagree on this point. Why focus on that within parentheses, while overlooking that which comes before and is the main object? It states He ‘WAS,’ ‘BEING’ the son of Joseph, again ‘just as they supposed.’

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Wycliffe in 1384 translated Luke 3:23 in this manner:

Luke 3:23 And Jhesu hym silf was bigynninge as of thritti yeer, that he was gessid the sone of Joseph, which was of Heli,

Notice, no parenthesis? and he was guessed to be the son of Joseph... not that He was.

If you put him as the biological son of Joseph, you remove his deity.

 

[Brother Bob]

I did not say that you were born of animals, I asked a question.

Fact remains. the link you provided was different from what you posted with it. The link you provided spoke of animal breeding and genetics..

You were in err. You should have provided the correct link.

This is the Link I first provided and you made the err, you just read to the animal part and quit, not reading that it included other groups, such as HUMAN STUDY. I don't care if you apoligize or not, you wouldn't mean it anyway.

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[Eliyahu]

It doe not tell us that it wasn't either.

It does tell us that Jesus was of the "seed" of David, which according to your theory, not only is Joseph left out, but so is King David of whose throne Jesus came to sit on.

BBob,

Jesus came of the Seed of David by being born of a surrogate mother, by being born of Joseph's family as the people believed ( Luke 4:22).
Being born of Joseph's family alone is sufficient to fullfil the Prophecy. But if Mary was David's family as well as you said, that is indeed more than enough to fulfill the prophecy.

Jesus was born of the seed of David and also the Word became Flesh too.

In your theory, Jesus was born of the seed of David but the flesh ( ovum of Mary) became Flesh ( of Jesus).
YOur theory cannot fulfill the Incarnation and therefore is disqualified.

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

SfiC, if I said you were a carpenter, just as supposed, would I be saying you are a carpenter or not?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Jesus came of the Seed of David by being born of a surrogate mother, by being born of Joseph's family as the people believed ( Luke 4:22).
Being born of Joseph's family alone is sufficient to fullfil the Prophecy. But if Mary was David's family as well as you said, that is indeed more than enough to fulfill the prophecy.

Jesus was born of the seed of David and also the Word became Flesh too.

In your theory, Jesus was born of the seed of David but the flesh ( ovum of Mary) became Flesh ( of Jesus).
YOur theory cannot fulfill the Incarnation and therefore is disqualified.

And that is exactly what I have been trying to convey to them as well!

Good post.

 

[Brother Bob]

Jesus came of the Seed of David by being born of a surrogate mother, by being born of Joseph's family as the people believed ( Luke 4:22).
Being born of Joseph's family alone is sufficient to fullfil the Prophecy. But if Mary was David's family as well as you said, that is indeed more than enough to fulfill the prophecy.

Jesus was born of the seed of David and also the Word became Flesh too.

In your theory, Jesus was born of the seed of David but the flesh ( ovum of Mary) became Flesh ( of Jesus).
YOur theory cannot fulfill the Incarnation and therefore is disqualified.

Is incarnation scripture??

 

[standingfirminChrist]

SfiC, if I said you were a carpenter, just as supposed, would I be saying you are a carpenter or not?

HP, your quote makes no sense whatsoever.

What does make sense, is Luke 3:23 which clearly says Joseph was thought to be the biological father of Jesus.

 

[Linda64]

Brother Bob,

Our blood type is derived from our father, not our mother. Here is some information from Dr. M. R. DeHaan in his book, The Chemistry of the Blood:

NO MOTHERS BLOOD

The mother provides the foetus (the unborn developing infant) with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her bosom, but all the blood which forms in that little body is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the contribution of the male parent. From the time of conception to the time of birth of the infant not ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ever passes from mother to child. The placenta that mass of temporary tissue known better as “afterbirth,” forming the union between mother and child is so constructed that although all the soluble nutritive elements such as proteins, fats, carbohydrates, salts, minerals and even antibodies pass freely from mother to child and the waste products of the child's metabolism are passed back to the mothers circulation, no actual interchange of a single drop of blood ever occurs normally. All the blood which is in that child is produced within the child itself as a result of the introduction of the male sperm. The mother contributes no blood at all.

TESTIMONY OF SCIENCE

Now for the sake of some of the skeptics who may doubt these statements let me quote from a few reliable authorities. In Howell’s Textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read:

"For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood DO NOT COME INTO ACTUAL CONTACT. THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."

Or let me quote from Williams’ Practice of Obstetrics, Third Edition, page 133. Here I quote,

"The fetal blood in the vessels of the chorionic villae AT NO TIME GAINS ACCESS TO THE MATERNAL BLOOD in the intervillous space, BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER by the double layer of chorionic epithelium."

And from page 136 of the same recognized textbook I quote,

"Normally there is no communication between the fetal blood and the maternal blood."

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Is incarnation scripture??

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [A-J]
incarnation
INCARNA'TION, n. The act of clothing with flesh.

1. The act of assuming flesh, or of taking a human body and the nature of man; as the incarnation of the Son of God.

2. In surgery, the process of healing wounds and filling the part with new flesh.

I hope that answers your question.

 

[Brother Bob]

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [A-J]
incarnation
INCARNA'TION, n. The act of clothing with flesh.

1. The act of assuming flesh, or of taking a human body and the nature of man; as the incarnation of the Son of God.

2. In surgery, the process of healing wounds and filling the part with new flesh.

Scripture please

 

[Eliyahu]

I do not know, can't see how they both are for Joseph though.

BBob,

Seeing you cannot see, reading you cannot read, when you are obssessed with something wrong!


Matthew 1
15 And Eliud begat Eleazar; and Eleazar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; 16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Luke 3:
23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

 

[Eliyahu]

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [A-J]
incarnation
INCARNA'TION, n. The act of clothing with flesh.

1. The act of assuming flesh, or of taking a human body and the nature of man; as the incarnation of the Son of God.

2. In surgery, the process of healing wounds and filling the part with new flesh.

Scripture please

We don't need the term "Incarnation" or "Enfleshment", we just used the abbreviation of the term for the convenience to mean that the Word became Flesh, which you can never explain while you are holding Biological Motherhood.

I know the contradiction between 2, Egg became Flesh and Word became Flesh, because Egg of Mary was not the Word of God! This is very very sure !

Eternally the Truth remains that Word became Flesh !
Egg became Flesh of Jesus, NOOOOOWHERE in the Bible!

The Word Became Flesh ! The Word Became Flesh !

Seeing they cannot see, Reading they cannot understand !

 

[Eliyahu]

Very Simple Explanation:

When both can be true?

1) Word became Flesh

2) Egg became Flesh

ONLY When
The Egg is the Word.

Is the egg of Mary the Word of God? ( according to the logic of Babylonian goddess Ishtar's myth)

The Ishtar Egg ​

Eggs have absolutely nothing to do with the resurrection of the Messiah (three days and three nights after He was placed in the grave), but the egg was a sacred symbol to the Babylonians. An egg of wondrous size fell from heaven into the Euphrates River; from this marvelous egg the Goddess Astarte (Easter) was hatched. From the land of Babylon, humanity was scattered to the various parts of the earth. These religious people took with them the symbol of the mystic sacred egg. Each pagan nation had its own representation of this wonder. The Greeks had their sacred egg of Heliopolis, and the Typhon's Egg.
http://www.yahweh.com/booklets/EASTER/easter.htm

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Webster's 1828 Dictionary [A-J]
incarnation
INCARNA'TION, n. The act of clothing with flesh.

1. The act of assuming flesh, or of taking a human body and the nature of man; as the incarnation of the Son of God.

2. In surgery, the process of healing wounds and filling the part with new flesh.

Scripture please

Hebrews 10:5
Hebrews 10:5 Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:

 

[Eliyahu]

Is incarnation scripture??

The word Incarnation is the translation of John 1:14 Word became flesh, but the more details can be varied as Enfleshment.

The reason why I used the term was because I wanted to state the counter word for Biological Motherhood.

If you can find a better term for " Word became Flesh" then you can use it.

Word became Flesh, Not the egg became flesh, which is pagan belief !

 

[Brother Bob]

Brother Bob,

Our blood type is derived from our father, not our mother. Here is some information from Dr. M. R. DeHaan in his book, The Chemistry of the Blood:

You source was more of a theologian than a chemist.

While much science will ultimately validate scripture, the idea that human beings (including women) inherit their blood only from their fathers is incorrect!
I have been retired from medicine for 2 years and am enrolled as a non-degree student at Dallas Theological Seminary. I feel that it is unnecessary and harmful to build doctrine on false science.

BBob,

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Outline of Matthew 1:18-23

Verse 18 – The Miracle of the Virgin Birth
A. The event was miraculous beyond comprehension
B. The conception was ‘of the Holy Spirit
1. It was the Spirit’s work completely.
2. Neither Joseph’s sperm, nor Mary’s egg was needed.
Verse 19 – Joseph’s love for Mary is shown
A.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Mary was pregnant… it was evident. According to the Law,
Mary should have been stoned.
B.[FONT=&quot] [/FONT]Joseph would not reveal to anyone that Mary was pregnant
with a child that was not his.
Verse 20 – The angel reveals that the Holy Ghost is the one who impregnated Mary
Verse 21 – The Greek word for Jesus is “Saviour”
Verses 22-23
A. Over 300 Old Testament prophecies were fulfilled in Christ.
B. Verse 23 speaks of the deity of Christ; echoing Isaiah 7:14
a. Jesus (Emmanuel) was God manifest in the flesh 1 Tim. 3:16