You did not read the post. I was not talking about evangelism, but about the effects of Rock/CCM it can help one when exercising.
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The blessings of Rock N Roll Music
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You did not read the post. I was not talking about evangelism, but about the effects of Rock/CCM it can help one when exercising.
By those definitions then Petra Praise would fit the bill.
Great article...
This is a great article I was recently sent.
http://www.equip.org/articles/rock-music/
This is a great article I was recently sent.
http://www.equip.org/articles/rock-music/
Articles like that are not how we should determine whether we should listen to Rock music or not, we should always let the scriptures be our guide.
1 Jhn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Here, John tells us not to love the world, nor the things in the world. What exactly does he mean by this? everything is in the world.
What is meant is explained in the following verses, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. These are the things we are not supposed to love.
I believe Rock music clearly comes under lust of the flesh. It is very sensual music that appeals to the flesh. A person can literally become mesmerized by it, and lose self control. It reduces the inhibitions much like alcohol, you are apt to behave in ways you would not normally do under the influence of Rock music.
This is a comical little gif of folks dancing to Rock music, but the little boy's face says it all, these people are acting silly and out of control. This is the influence of Rock music.
That said, there are other forms of music that also make folks act like this. As Christians I do not believe we are ever to allow ourselves to come under the influence of music, alcohol, drugs, etc...
I think it's great that you enjoy it. But liking something doesn't make it good.
Look how many people bought Spice Girls records and they were awful.
I think they were better with Greg Volz. Still not as good as most secular bands, but better than they were when they were pretending to be the Christian Def Leppard.
It is at this point where you are yourself stepping beyond scriptures alone being your guide by selecting one thing (rock music) and equating it with a scriptural idea (Lust of the flesh). But you are not showing the connection other than having us take your word for it.
Also, since Rock Music is so dangerous, please give us a musical definition of it so we may avoid it...and make sure the definition makes it clear the the characteristics of it that make it rock music are also forbidden in Scripture.
I don't believe there is a MUSICAL element that causes a music to be sinful...perhaps the extras that often come with it (sensuality, drug use, anger, hate, self-centeredness) but not the music itself.
I don't believe this. Music does not have same effect as alcohol. It cannot cause one to sin. Music does have effects, but cannot cause sin.
A 1 year old will naturally bounce up and down to music...dance, if you will...and it doesn't have to be rock music to have this effect... I personally don't believe this is a sinful reaction to music, some evidence of falleness (not like biting your siblings is) ...but a God-given natural response to music. Moving with music is not sinful...so music that draws out (doesn't control) a movement is not by definition sinful.
For a much more in depth treatment of this issue, I highly recomend John Frame's book; CONTEMPORARY WORSHIP MUSIC: A BIBLICAL DEFENSE.
exactly...It's an album of 1980's Hymns.
Are you trying to tell me Rock music is not sensual? Nobody would buy this argument.
There are many kinds of "Rock" music, some is more sensual than others. It is like the Supreme Court's ruling on pornography, it cannot not always be explained, but it can always be recognized. Here is an example of very sensual Rock music;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2AC41dglnM
Now, I have been playing guitar 50 years, I grew up playing this very kind of music. I absolutely love the sound, but it is sensual and I do not think God wants us acting this way.
And I think you are kidding yourself.
Give me a break, ever been in a mosh pit?
You are proving my point, much music is very sensual, and even a little baby will "Rock Out" to it.
I really like the oldies but goodies stuff. As I really quit listening to rock and roll about all together for over twenty years. And started liking the oldies stuff in 1986.
As really music at the time was really meaningful and had a soul. With all due respect, today's music does not have that and lacks them both.
If you grew up in those eras of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, you would know what I mean. It takes a rare music like today's music to put me in the mood.
FTR, I love all kinds of music except for rap and heavy metal. Sorry for those that like that kind of music.
As really music at the time was really meaningful and had a soul. With all due respect, today's music does not have that and lacks them both.
If you grew up in those eras of the 50s, 60s, 70s, and 80s, you would know what I mean. It takes a rare music like today's music to put me in the mood.
FTR, I love all kinds of music except for rap and heavy metal. Sorry for those that like that kind of music.
If you mean that music affects the senses, then of course you are right. If you mean that certain placements of beats is sexual, then I would strongly disagree.
Bad comparison...With Pornography, God has given clear instructions about when and where sexual expression is permitted. With Music, he has given instructions that we are to sing, and sometimes reverently, with different kinds of music (at least 3 are listed), and sometimes exuberantly and loudly, with loud instruments. The simple fact is you are describing something as sinful that scripture does not say is sinful.
That's funny. :applause: You think I'm going to click on an internet video when all I know about it is that it's "sensual Rock music." I'M A MARRIED MAN! :smilewinkgrin:
Yep, a few times, and some people were obviously sinning in their physical interactions with people they weren't married to...but not everyone was.
So to clarify: Do you, who don't believe in original sin, nonetheless believe that a one-year-old bouncing up and down to a digital beeping melody of "Twinkle-Twinkle-Little-star" is sinning...and the music is making them sin?
(I do believe in inhereted sin nature that expresses itself very early, but even I don't think bouncing to music is one of those expressions)
Oh no, Rock music has never been associated with sex. Right.
I believe in worshiping the Lord with music, and I do not think it is wrong for folks to clap their hands and even dance around some. I cannot help but move to music like this. But Rock music goes beyond that, and if you are a real musician you know that. Why are you trying to kid yourself?
You probably have a CD of the very song, or maybe it's on your IPod.
I wasn't even talking about that, I was just pointing out how people can lose self control and act like animals. I was at a concert once and this fellow kept slamming into me. Finally, I waited for him and gave him a sharp elbow right in the chops. After that he stayed away from me.
No, no, no. I was just simply pointing out how music automatically affects people. Rock music with it's strong emphasis on beat can make a baby move all around. The baby isn't sinning.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0QuG6_FA6I
I actually think this little kid is cute, especially when the solo begins.
But scriptures do not want us to be marked by sensuality.
Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
Revellings are when people parade through the streets drunk often with loud music. This is the kind of thing we are not supposed to do.
Look, everybody has to decide for themselves what they allow.
Exactly what is sensual about that song? Seriously, what? That is a typical AC/DC song--loud, has 3 chords, and a recurring guitar riff. The lyrics could possibly be interpreted as s*xual, if you are pre- disposed to think that way (most rock lyrics can have multiple meanings.)
This is just an another example of personal preference, and not objectivity.
Give me a break, it shows 5000 kids head-banging. Now, I now this was a video and the kids were acting, but I guarantee if you went to an AC/DC concert and they played this song, all the kids would be acting the same, and it would not be acting.
In fact, in the video they are not really acting, they are truly moving to the music.
Yes, that head banging gesture is a trademark move of the lead guitarist, Angus Lee. (who is a teetotaler, BTW.) Seems that the crowd was emulating him.
So jerking your head up and down is sensual?
Uh, his name is Angus YOUNG, not Lee. I had been playing guitar for years before their first album came out. And I don't know about now, but he was absolutely not a teetotaler when he was young.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BGSfyfjQWc
You might be thinking of Alvin Lee of Ten Years After who recently passed away.
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If we throw out everything that's ever been associated with sex, we are left with a very short list of permissible activities. It certainly has been associated with sex...that's not the point.
In what ways does rock music go beyond it... and again, we are stuck without a definition. Some would call a song like Lord I lift your name on high rock music...others might even say "We fall down" qualifies. What one person sees as joyful worship, another calls sensual.
So you admit that a human can be "automatically" moved and affected by music but not be sinning?
Oops, my bad. You are correct.
Are you going to tell is what is sensual about shaking one's head up and down? This is your third opportunity...
I am not against music, I enjoy uplifting joyful music to the Lord, as long as people maintain decency and self control.
Well, it is hard to define. It is not always easy to know when a person is crossing the line. It is easier to spot than define.
Of course, a baby does not know what it is doing, it is simply moving to the music. That is not the same as an adult who does (or at least should) know what they are doing.
I am not going to keep arguing with you, every one needs to decide between themselves and the Lord what is acceptable music.
You use straw-men arguments and paint with a broad brush. Sure there are abuses, but you cant assume that EVERYONE will fall under this influence in this fashion. However I do agree with you, but it depends on the type of music. For example I had a old roommate whom attended a very contemporary church and they always were having rock concerts, and this man seemed obsessed with concerts and I almost never saw him reading the Bible. Sure he said wonderful things about Francis Chan and David Platt, but his testimony was questionable in this area.
But then there are those that use more contemporary praise rock as a form of worship. I have attended a reformed churches that did this. They would have a band and play a soft rock worship service, but it was not a rock concert, however 99% of Fundamentalist would have an issue with it. So I think discernment is needed.
But then there are those that use more contemporary praise rock as a form of worship. I have attended a reformed churches that did this. They would have a band and play a soft rock worship service, but it was not a rock concert, however 99% of Fundamentalist would have an issue with it. So I think discernment is needed.
Articles like that are not how we should determine whether we should listen to Rock music or not, we should always let the scriptures be our guide.
1 Jhn 2:15 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
16 For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
Here, John tells us not to love the world, nor the things in the world. What exactly does he mean by this? everything is in the world.
What is meant is explained in the following verses, the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life. These are the things we are not supposed to love.
I believe Rock music clearly comes under lust of the flesh. It is very sensual music that appeals to the flesh. A person can literally become mesmerized by it, and lose self control. It reduces the inhibitions much like alcohol, you are apt to behave in ways you would not normally do under the influence of Rock music.
This is a comical little gif of folks dancing to Rock music, but the little boy's face says it all, these people are acting silly and out of control. This is the influence of Rock music.
That said, there are other forms of music that also make folks act like this. As Christians I do not believe we are ever to allow ourselves to come under the influence of music, alcohol, drugs, etc...