The Book Crazy Love

[evangelist6589]

Have you read it and if so what are your thoughts? Ordered myself a copy and would like to perspectives on this one. Thanks..

 

[freeatlast]

I read a little of it and put it away. He has not improved on the bible. If the bible is taught properly and read with desire it will surpass anything that he or anyone has said. Just stick to the word and all will be fine. I find it interestingly sad today at how many are seeking something, more of God/Jesus, outside of the word of God. All we can learn is in one book and no one is going to offer anything more that the true child of God needs that is not already written about in that one book. If those in the church who feel that they are lacking something in their walk would obey this one scripture they would find more then they could ever ask or think.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

 

[Havensdad]

I read a little of it and put it away. He has not improved on the bible. If the bible is taught properly and read with desire it will surpass anything that he or anyone has said. Just stick to the word and all will be fine. I find it interestingly sad today at how many are seeking something, more of God/Jesus, outside of the word of God. All we can learn is in one book and no one is going to offer anything more that the true child of God needs that is not already written about in that one book. If those in the church who feel that they are lacking something in their walk would obey this one scripture they would find more then they could ever ask or think.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Crazy love is rooted in scripture. I think it sad today that so many Christians believe themselves to be so wise, and are so arrogant. What you say here, would also argue against preaching, training, discipleship, etc.

Heaven help us from "Christian Islands" who refuse instruction from others...

 

[IANMO(IAMNTMYOWN)]

I read a little of it and put it away. He has not improved on the bible. If the bible is taught properly and read with desire it will surpass anything that he or anyone has said. Just stick to the word and all will be fine. I find it interestingly sad today at how many are seeking something, more of God/Jesus, outside of the word of God. All we can learn is in one book and no one is going to offer anything more that the true child of God needs that is not already written about in that one book. If those in the church who feel that they are lacking something in their walk would obey this one scripture they would find more then they could ever ask or think.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

I would definitely disagree. Crazy Love is an amazing book. Francis Chan has presented the love of God in a different light. It changed my perspective on the complacent feelings that I have had for my Savior at times. As for the point you made, Freeatlast, then sharing what I have learned from God with my friends should not be practiced either. Having it placed on a written page is no different then me delivering it verbally. Francis Chan has done exactly that in this book.

 

[Greektim]

Crazy love is rooted in scripture. I think it sad today that so many Christians believe themselves to be so wise, and are so arrogant. What you say here, would also argue against preaching, training, discipleship, etc.

Heaven help us from "Christian Islands" who refuse instruction from others...

I second that... Well said Haven!

As for crazy love, my bro-in-law read it around the same time he read radical. I think he said they were along the same lines. He liked it. Wouldn't mind reading it myself.

 

[freeatlast]

Crazy love is rooted in scripture. I think it sad today that so many Christians believe themselves to be so wise, and are so arrogant. What you say here, would also argue against preaching, training, discipleship, etc.

Heaven help us from "Christian Islands" who refuse instruction from others...

If a book agrees with the bible I don't need it. If it disagrees with it I don't want it. The sad thing is that today many who claim to be Christians are looking every place for love, peace, joy, and wisdom through books other then the bible.
You mentioned preaching and teaching. If they are preaching and teaching from books other then the bible, well you follow them, I will stick to the bible and those who teach and preach from it.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)


It is the proud and faithless that seeks outside the bible only what God can offer through His word.
The fact that so many today are seeking these books written by men instead of seeking the truth from the word of God is one of the biggest reasons the church is so lukewarm.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:14-22 (KJV)​

 

[Greektim]

If a book agrees with the bible I don't need it. If it disagrees with it I don't want it. The sad thing is that today many who claim to be Christians are looking every place for love, peace, joy, and wisdom through books other then the bible.
You mentioned preaching and teaching. If they are preaching and teaching from books other then the bible, well you follow them, I will stick to the bible and those who teach and preach from it.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)


It is the proud and faithless that seeks outside the bible only what God can offer through His word.
The fact that so many today are seeking these books written by men instead of seeking the truth from the word of God is one of the biggest reasons the church is so lukewarm.

14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; 15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot. 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked: 18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. 19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent. 20 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Rev 3:14-22 (KJV)​

So you cannot possibly glean anything of relevance or use for your life other than the Bible? You can't put yourself under the teaching of a wise and knowledgeable Bible teacher via his book?

Question, where did you get your moniker? Was it from a speech by a famous person? Hmmmm...

 

[freeatlast]

So you cannot possibly glean anything of relevance or use for your life other than the Bible? You can't put yourself under the teaching of a wise and knowledgeable Bible teacher via his book?

Question, where did you get your moniker? Was it from a speech by a famous person? Hmmmm...

You need to read what I said. Those who teach from the bible are teaching God's word. So no I would not set under someone who is teaching from any book other then the bible. May I ask are you a mormon or JW because they use books of men? I do not attande bible study to learn from any book other then the word of God.
As I pointed out the church has rejected the bible and now seeks that of men and the church is also in serious trouble. If the book teaches what the bible teaches I don't need it, and If it does not I don't want it.

 

[evangelist6589]

I read a little of it and put it away. He has not improved on the bible. If the bible is taught properly and read with desire it will surpass anything that he or anyone has said. Just stick to the word and all will be fine. I find it interestingly sad today at how many are seeking something, more of God/Jesus, outside of the word of God. All we can learn is in one book and no one is going to offer anything more that the true child of God needs that is not already written about in that one book. If those in the church who feel that they are lacking something in their walk would obey this one scripture they would find more then they could ever ask or think.
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Why do we need preachers and teachers when we have ourselves? Why should any of us even go to church? God gave us teachers for a reason. Read the book of Ephesians.

 

[evangelist6589]

Crazy love is rooted in scripture. I think it sad today that so many Christians believe themselves to be so wise, and are so arrogant. What you say here, would also argue against preaching, training, discipleship, etc.

Heaven help us from "Christian Islands" who refuse instruction from others...

Amen, amen, amen!!!! Well said my friend, and this post gets a like on FaceBook. So many these days tell me not to read books, which is hogwash.

 

[evangelist6589]

I would definitely disagree. Crazy Love is an amazing book. Francis Chan has presented the love of God in a different light. It changed my perspective on the complacent feelings that I have had for my Savior at times. As for the point you made, Freeatlast, then sharing what I have learned from God with my friends should not be practiced either. Having it placed on a written page is no different then me delivering it verbally. Francis Chan has done exactly that in this book.

I cant wait to read it.

 

[evangelist6589]

I second that... Well said Haven!

As for crazy love, my bro-in-law read it around the same time he read radical. I think he said they were along the same lines. He liked it. Wouldn't mind reading it myself.

I await its arrival this week. None of these books have been authored by the legalistic Fundamentalist Baptists whom are loaded with traditions. How blind I was for years.

 

[freeatlast]

Why do we need preachers and teachers when we have ourselves? Why should any of us even go to church? God gave us teachers for a reason. Read the book of Ephesians.

Read post #8

 

[Iconoclast]

You need to read what I said. Those who teach from the bible are teaching God's word. So no I would not set under someone who is teaching from any book other then the bible. May I ask are you a mormon or JW because they use books of men? I do not attande bible study to learn from any book other then the word of God.
As I pointed out the church has rejected the bible and now seeks that of men and the church is also in serious trouble. If the book teaches what the bible teaches I don't need it, and If it does not I don't want it.

The Apostle Paul did not seem to share your point of view on this;

13 The cloke that I left at Troas with Carpus, when thou comest, bring with thee, and the books, but especially the parchments.

 

[Greektim]

The Apostle Paul did not seem to share your point of view on this;

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Don't bring him into it as if that settles the issue

 

[evangelist6589]

The Apostle Paul did not seem to share your point of view on this;

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Good catch.

 

[freeatlast]

The Apostle Paul did not seem to share your point of view on this;

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It is most unbecoming of you to play games with the word of God. The books is a word for a scroll which would have been the word of God not books written by men like we have today from the book store. The parchments would be the same, but on different material and even possibly his own notes but still the word of God. Paul is being lead by the Spirit and is not suggesting that he wants to read books from someone giving their opinion. It would be like someone today who is sent to prison for their faith in Christ and they ask a friend to send their bible bible and their personal notes. Paul NEVER suggests to use anything outside the written word of God for the things of God.
People have turned from the bible to a multitude of books and we are seeing the result of it in the church as it becomes more and more lukewarm. We need to return to our first love.

 

[Havensdad]

If a book agrees with the bible I don't need it. If it disagrees with it I don't want it.

You have set up a false dichotomy here. First, a book can agree with the Bible, but "unpack" its teachings, the same way that a preacher does. It can show you how that section of scripture applies to your life. It can show you how that scripture fits with other scripture (which may to a new Christian seem contradictory).

Second, the idea that if it is not in the Bible, you "don't need it" is laughable. The Bible was not written to be exhaustive. It was written to tell the story of redemption. You cannot learn how to drive a car (to go witness to people) from the Bible. Or how to fly a plane (to deliver supplies to missionaries overseas). Both your premise and conclusion is way off the mark.

The sad thing is that today many who claim to be Christians are looking every place for love, peace, joy, and wisdom through books other then the bible.

So, a person cannot do both? There are entire books expounding very small sections of scripture. The Bible is exhaustive in its contents. Simply reading through it, without stopping to study it, listen to sermons over the section that you are going over, consulting lexicons to delve into the root meaning of the word, commentaries to see other people's epiphanies, etc., there is SO MUCH you will miss.

You are arrogant. You are saying "God talks to me....other people, not so much.

You mentioned preaching and teaching. If they are preaching and teaching from books other then the bible, well you follow them, I will stick to the bible and those who teach and preach from it.

Please do not take my words out of context. I never suggested that anyone preach from a book other than the Bible. Why are you listening to preaching? That is NO DIFFERENT than reading a book. I thought "All you need is yourself and scripture?"

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. 2 Tim 3:16-17 (KJV)

Again, then why listen to preaching? Why does the Bible command us to instruct others? Any argument you make for preaching or teaching, is an argument FOR writing and reading books...because they are the same thing.

The fact that so many today are seeking these books written by men instead of seeking the truth from the word of God is one of the biggest reasons the church is so lukewarm.

Actually, the church is lukewarm because of anti-intellectuals such as yourself, who refuse to dig deep in the scriptures, and listen to instructions from others. "I don't need to listen to what that preacher said...I'll just read my Bible and interpret it my own way..."

 

[Havensdad]

You need to read what I said. Those who teach from the bible are teaching God's word. So no I would not set under someone who is teaching from any book other then the bible. May I ask are you a mormon or JW because they use books of men? I do not attande bible study to learn from any book other then the word of God.
As I pointed out the church has rejected the bible and now seeks that of men and the church is also in serious trouble. If the book teaches what the bible teaches I don't need it, and If it does not I don't want it.

You know that is NOT what he is saying! You are deliberately avoiding the issue.

If your pastor wrote a book of his collected sermons (his sermons, transcribed to paper), would you read it? Yes or no, please.

 

[freeatlast]

You have set up a false dichotomy here. First, a book can agree with the Bible, but "unpack" its teachings, the same way that a preacher does. It can show you how that section of scripture applies to your life. It can show you how that scripture fits with other scripture (which may to a new Christian seem contradictory).

Second, the idea that if it is not in the Bible, you "don't need it" is laughable. The Bible was not written to be exhaustive. It was written to tell the story of redemption. You cannot learn how to drive a car (to go witness to people) from the Bible. Or how to fly a plane (to deliver supplies to missionaries overseas). Both your premise and conclusion is way off the mark.



So, a person cannot do both? There are entire books expounding very small sections of scripture. The Bible is exhaustive in its contents. Simply reading through it, without stopping to study it, listen to sermons over the section that you are going over, consulting lexicons to delve into the root meaning of the word, commentaries to see other people's epiphanies, etc., there is SO MUCH you will miss.

You are arrogant. You are saying "God talks to me....other people, not so much.



Please do not take my words out of context. I never suggested that anyone preach from a book other than the Bible. Why are you listening to preaching? That is NO DIFFERENT than reading a book. I thought "All you need is yourself and scripture?"



Again, then why listen to preaching? Why does the Bible command us to instruct others? Any argument you make for preaching or teaching, is an argument FOR writing and reading books...because they are the same thing.



Actually, the church is lukewarm because of anti-intellectuals such as yourself, who refuse to dig deep in the scriptures, and listen to instructions from others. "I don't need to listen to what that preacher said...I'll just read my Bible and interpret it my own way..."

Clearly you have not read what I have written and just responding off the wall.