franklinmonroe
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Is there room for me in your minority?
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The case for the KJO belief
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For nearly 300 years the KJV was the dominant Bible used in all Protestant and Baptist churches. There was no confusion because it was the only version widely used. This is historical fact that cannot be denied.
It was only after 1881 when the MVs were introduced that confusion arose in the churches. So, this false charge that being KJVO is divisive is utterly hypocritical, it is the MVs that caused division in the church.
It was only after 1881 when the MVs were introduced that confusion arose in the churches. So, this false charge that being KJVO is divisive is utterly hypocritical, it is the MVs that caused division in the church.
franklinmonroe
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I'd love to! Contact me when ever you're in town.Well said. How bout we go have some Skyline and talk about it
"I don't think it's permissible for a teacher to ask a question....."
I thought we dealing with the class members asking questions. Sorry if I left a different impression.
One should "not bend" the Word of God; But some may need their beliefs "straighten out".
What do you think this is saying? + What do you think of this passage?= What does this mean to you (your interpretation).
franklinmonroe
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For nearly 1000 years the Vulgate was the dominant Bible used in all Christian churches. There was no confusion because it was the only version widely used. This is historical fact that cannot be denied.
I agree. My pastor has taught us that there is usually one interpretation of a passage but there may be multiple applications that might be person-dependent. The only time when there are multiple interpretations is when the Scripture has a double meaning, like in much of the prophecy passages. It's the applications that might change to different people in the context of their walk with Christ. But that doesn't mean that what the Scripture says changes.
For example, we have this passage from 1 John 2:
"15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 16For all that is in the world— the desires of the flesh and the desires of the eyes and pride in possessions—is not from the Father but is from the world. 17And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever."
We know what the passage says. We are not to love the world or the things of the world. But what does that mean to me? To me, I need to make sure that my desires are not on things of this world. For me it's easy to look at others and see things they have and be jealous. I need to guard my heart against that. For someone else, they might not struggle with this but instead with pornography. I don't struggle with that. So the application of this passage for our own lives will be different - but it's the same interpretation.
Does that make sense?
I understand what Bro K is saying. I have been debating regeneration with Calvinists for months now, and it is obvious that their definition of regeneration is quite different from mine. And how can you correct someone if you do not understand what they believe? Or how can they correct you?
So, it is important to learn how others interpret scripture. You cannot assume that all people rightly divide the word. In fact, I never assume that I rightly divide the word. I have changed my beliefs a few times over the years after hearing someone else's interpretation of scripture.
So, it is important to learn how others interpret scripture. You cannot assume that all people rightly divide the word. In fact, I never assume that I rightly divide the word. I have changed my beliefs a few times over the years after hearing someone else's interpretation of scripture.
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Sounds like a plan to me! And yes, there's room in my fraternity for ya!
Agreed. One of the reasons people's beliefs are crooked is they've been given carte blanche to have their own system, regardless of what the Bible teaches.
Yep. One interpretation - but a possibility of multiple "applications".
How are they synonyms? And if they are, why the uproar for the modern versions using Passover instead of Easter?
Many people believe what they believe because that is what has been taught to them by people they trust and love their whole lives. I have witnessed to Catholics many times, and I try to always remember that their doctrine has been taught them from the time they could walk by their parents who they trusted and loved. It is a very difficult thing to convince someone that their parents who truly loved them in sincerety taught them a falsehood. So, you have to go very slow and easy.
I work with a fellow whose family has been Jehovah's Witnesses for several generations. His belief system has been shaped by others, his definitions for words are not the same as mine. It is all he knows. So you have to be very patient with someone like this. If you are too aggressive they will throw up a wall of protection and you will never get through to them.
Agreed. One of the reasons people's beliefs are crooked is they've been given carte blanche to have their own system, regardless of what the Bible teaches.
Lets try and keep this in the enviroment of a class; teacher or Pastor and class members. If not, it can become very confusing.
Question to ask is: How and why did they arrive at this time in their life where their "system" is not intune with God's Word?
Lets try and keep this in the enviroment of a class; teacher or Pastor and class members. If not, it can become very confusing.
Question to ask is: How and why did they arrive at this time in their life where their "system" is not intune with God's Word?
Well, just this Sunday in Sunday School we had a lady who stood up and asked the Pastor if children who die go to hell. She is a very recent convert from Catholicism and is still haunted by some of the teaching she has received. As you know, a Catholic believes if a child dies before it is baptized it is damned. This doctrine was very troubling to her.
Look at the Geneva note at Matt. 27:15:
Those who purportedly cause an "uproar for the modern versions using Passover instead of Easter" apparently share with you a misunderstanding of the historical use of the words. Could be you're both wrong:thumbs:
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Yes, and look at the fruit it bore. Those were fabulous times those Dark Ages when the Catholic church held men in ignorance and darkness, and burned people at the stake who dared question them.
But what has been the history of the KJV? Literally millions of people have been brought to Christ in every nation on earth.
And literally millions of people have been brought into cults - cults using the KJV.
Literally millions of people have been brought to Christ in every nation on the earth - without the KJV too. Remember, not every nation uses English so it was not the KJV that brought people to Christ in Japan or Africa or Italy.
stilllearning
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Hi annsni
You said........
If they did, their people would start getting saved.
They “misuse” the KJV.
This difference may seem subtle to you & I, but God’s Word is powerful, if it is “used”!
You said........
No cult, has ever “used” the KJV.
If they did, their people would start getting saved.
They “misuse” the KJV.
This difference may seem subtle to you & I, but God’s Word is powerful, if it is “used”!
Love it! :thumbs:
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