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Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Internet Theologian, Dec 9, 2015.

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  1. Internet Theologian

    Internet Theologian Well-Known Member

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    Good, and my apologies, noting that typically on this board this is ridiculed and mocked under the guise and false security of a casual gospel. :)

    Now, for what reason do the above passages give for this? There would have to be a new thread started on that topic. But I would like to warn and admonish those who both have been under the influence of and preach the false casual gospel message.

    I am reminded of this passage:

    “For from the least to the greatest of them,
    everyone is greedy for unjust gain;
    and from prophet to priest,
    everyone deals falsely.

    They have healed the wound of my people lightly,
    saying, ‘Peace, peace,’
    when there is no peace.

    Were they ashamed when they committed abomination?
    No, they were not at all ashamed;
    they did not know how to blush.

    Therefore they shall fall among those who fall;
    at the time that I punish them, they shall be overthrown,”
    says the LORD. - Jeremiah 6:13-15
     
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    Internet Theologian Well-Known Member

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    And what is so shocking, as if I provided naught? Is not Scripture a good starting point? Especially this one? Were you expecting the Romans Road bro?

    I'd tell anyone that with them it is impossible, but not with God.
     
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    LOL...yea it's a GREAT starting Point! Totally Agreed! But i assumed you would have continued or paused to give me a thought.
     
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    Well it would be difficult to engage, for me at least, and put together a hypothetical role play. I suppose I'd be better suited for a real event.
     
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    oh come on! Do you *equip* your fold for real life conversations?
     
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    By relating actual events, and *equipping* with sound doctrine.

    (I used the asterisks because you did) maybe it's *Biblical* or something...lol :D
     
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    This is why it is difficult to engage with you and the OP that is given.
    It is hearsay given without foundation.
    Are you speaking of my church about which you know nothing about?
    Are you speaking about the message Billy Graham preaches?
    Are you speaking about Joel Osteen?
    Perhaps you are referencing such people as Sun Myung Moon?
    How would any of us know? We need a starting point, a reference point.
    Without that you are a ship at sea, rudderless, floating aimlessly, and no one can reply to you with any certain knowledge.
     
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    Sound doctrine backs up practice, do you agree?

    Sent from my SPH-L720 using Tapatalk
     
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    Our practice reflects our doctrine. If I believed an easy-believism lie then no matter what I could go on sinning as much as I want, even practice lying daily, because, after all 'I'm in'.
     
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    You realize that you are stating what others say and then refusing to provide examples of "the Casual Gospel" being propounded by these people. How is that any different from what you claim DHK is doing?
     
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    Which preachers (theologians, pastors) say, "pray this prayer and then you are in. You may then go and sin up a storm as much as you want, even on a daily basis, after all, you are in."

    Who says that?
     
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    looks like there is a volunteer in post9RedfaceSick:eek:
     
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    If you are not sanctified and glorified it is not Gods salvation..Salvation is from start to finish.This reveals you have a defective view of salvation:(:(:(:(:(
     
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    lol...and he is talking about 'false accusations'? The irony!
     
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    I was hoping you would know better than that Icon. Glorification is in the future. "We wait for the redemption of our bodies." It hasn't happened yet. If one claims that they have been glorified then their salvation is not of God, for glorification is a future event, and their glorification would be carnal not heavenly.
     
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    Who? Were you volunteering yourself? Who does IT have in mind in the OP? Please tell.
     
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    Of course glorification is in the future...but it is a part of salvation;
    29 For whom he did foreknow,
    he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son,
    that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

    30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called:
    and whom he called, them he also justified:
    and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

    When God saves a person...He is the author and finisher of that faith.

    Paul near the end of his life he confessed that which was ahead of him...glorification.

    salvation is the whole golden chain described here in romans

    It comes with all the pieces...predestinate, called,justified,glorified
     
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    keep up with the thread please. Either that or don't jump in the middle of what is being said without reading first what has already been posted. Your post is redundant. I have already explained what you just posted in a previous post. It is nothing new. Go back and read the thread.
     
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    ...and this is where you stay amiss. The NT epistles refute your error and show the testimony of salvation, and what it looks like. 1 Thess. 1 for instance.

    Sanctification and glorification back up ones testimony. It's Scriptural. It must be there. It is the witness of all those saved and their testimonies were heard, there was not this simple 'back in ____ I got saved' without it and it doesn't begin and end there.

    Something goes along with it and the NT calls it our conversation or walk, something Paul alluded to often. You should go re read Paul's testimony of his conversion, and of others. Your theory falls well short of the truth.
     
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    I would venture to say that there is not one at BB.com that has no sin. This includes myself. In my study of sin and it's forgiveness. I found that even Paul died daily because, he had issues with sin. As do you and every other person who claims Christ as their Savior. Every Christian sins because, we all still have a sin nature. I believe the change in man from being saved is real but it is not perfection. Christian men try to abstain from sin and when they fail they beg forgiveness. Because man has sinned does not mean he is lost. Men do not become saved to go on sinning. They go on sinning because it's their nature. They will keep on sinning until the regeneration of their flesh. Remember Peter lied three times about following Christ. And Peter repented of it three times. Christ also forgave him.

    I was once proud of the fact I had made it a whole day with out sin, only to realize that my pride was sin too, and I was only fooling myself. Sin comes in many forms, I believe it's possible to sin while trying not to. There is sin in our thoughts and in our flesh. We don't have to commit the act of sinning because all we have to do is think about it. The only thing I have ever found that helps us not to sin is to pray with out ceasing. Yet even this is not with out sin because there just isn't very many selfless prayers. We always tend to include ourselves in there some where.

    You are right to be concerned about sin. I am too. I'd love to be the perfect Christian fully in the likeness of Christ and I will someday, when I stand before the Lord Jesus Christ.
    MB
     
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