The Christian Party

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I agree that it is very unlikely that R-W will be repealed - because of the high standard it takes to implement a Constitutional amendment.
2/3 of both houses must pass (290) + (67)
then
2/3 of all States/Commonwealths must pass (34)

In addition for the past few proposed amendments - there has been a 7 year limit.
because - what is now the 27th amendment was proposed by the first congress September 25, 1789, was finally confirmed on The amendment eventually became part of the United States Constitution, effective May 5, 1992,[2] completing a record-setting ratification period of 202 years, 7 months, and 10 days, beating the previous record set by the 22nd Amendment, with 3 years and 343 days.[3]

However, the failed ERA (in part since some States recinded their approval) was given another 3 years. Equal Rights Amendment - Wikipedia


True- then it would be up to the States/Commonwealths - Libs like NY, Calif, Ill would keep it legal ---



I wouldn't say they mask- Many Christians register as R's due to the higher morality - but I would say that in the scheme of things - that moral issues do not tend to get the support they need.

So the answer -
We need more moral inclined Christians to enter politics - start local - even the school board ........

I know mob bosses that influence school boards

 

[Reynolds]

Jesus explicitly pronounced that He did not come to establish an earthly kingdom but rather The Kingdom of God. Those who wanted a militaristic Messiah to deliver the Jews out of bondage under Rome crucified Him for this.

Those who try to tie the Christian faith to Christianity do a tremendous disservice to the Church. Unbelievers are looking at them as hypocrites especially those who strongly supported an obviously immoral person who pretended to embrace Christianity but only used it for political gain. This has actually been going on since "The Christian Right" did the same thing. The Southern Baptist Convention which has strongly supported these "White Christian Evangelicals" has been steadily losing membership and baptisms are down because of this hypocrisy.

Republicans dominated the Roe vs. Wade court (6 Republicans and 3 Democrats).

Roe vs. Wade was decided with a 7-2 vote, and not along partisan lines. Those who ruled in favor were as follows, with the president who nominated them and the party of that president indicated in parentheses:

• Harry Blackmun (Nixon, R)
• Lewis Powell (Nixon, R)
• Warren Burger (Nixon, R)
• William Brennan (Eisenhower, R)
• Potter Stewart (Eisenhower, R)
• Thurgood Marshall (LBJ, D)
• William Douglas (FDR, D)

Those who dissented on Roe vs. Wade:

• Byron White (Kennedy, D)
• William Rehnquist (Nixon, R)

So five Republican-nominated justices and two Democrat-nominated justices ruled for choice, while one Republican and one Democrat-nominated justice ruled against.

A lifelong Republican justice, Harry Blackmun, wrote the majority opinion in the case, which basically stated that state laws that unduly restrict abortion were unconstitutional—not specifically because a woman had a right to choose to have an abortion, but because of a the right to privacy under the 14th amendment.

That's intellectually dishonest nonsense. All but the stupidest people who read it see it for what it is.

 

[JonC]

We are called to be martyrs then.

In a sense, yes. We are to die to the principles of the world, to the flesh. We are to take up our crosses daily and follow Him.

 

[Salty]

I disagree. The answer is we should not expect the world to be moral. We should not expect the world to be just. Trying to make the world a just and moral place will never work.

Instead of more Christians trying to change the world by entering into that system I think it would be better for the Church (and Christians) to stand in contrast to these powers.

The answer, IMHO, is Christians need to conform to the image of Christ rather than trying to conform the world to a "Christian" moral standard. The Church needs to be the Church.

There is no reason why we cant do both!

 

[JonC]

There is no reason why we cant do both!

There are plenty of reasons, but they are mine (I do not condemn others for involving themselves in the affairs of the world). That is a personal choice.

While I do believe it is wrong and discredits Christians in the eyes of their political "enemies", we are only responsible for our own actions.

 

[kyredneck]

I know mob bosses that influence school boards

I watched an HBO segment on Richard Kuklinski last night....eye opener

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I watched an HBO segment on Richard Kuklinski last night....eye opener

Yes... look into their eyes. Unfortunately there a lot more out there with those credentials. Scary.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

In a sense, yes. We are to die to the principles of the world, to the flesh. We are to take up our crosses daily and follow Him.

So you consider Christ to be an idealist?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That's intellectually dishonest nonsense. All but the stupidest people who read it see it for what it is.

Officiating

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have seen several ti.es (at least three times on this board) the GOP being described as Christian.

As a Christian I view this as very problematic (to the point it is an anti-Christian view).

When I ask those who have made the claim to defend the statement I am met with silence, I assume because it is an indefensible comment.

But I will ask here -

What is Christian about the GOP?

Nothing

 

[JonC]

So you consider Christ to be an idealist?

Not an idealist, but that His kingdom is "otherworldly".

Christ commanded us to impact our culture by loving even our enemies, giving to those in need, and being a witness of the gospel.

It is not being an idealist to teach that we impact this world not by joining the world but by loving one another. Christ dismissed the powers of this world (politics, social justice platforms, nationalism, etc.) and pulled everything to an even more practical arena - one that makes politics nothing but idealism. Rather than influencing people by changing society we influence society by changing people.

Christians have no business at the societal level. That IS the World. Christians bear witness to Christ, urging men to be reconciled to God- this is at an individual level.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don’t hate anyone however there are those .... White Nationalist, hypocritical evangelicals, Qanon fanatics, Communists who arrange political situations so humanity can’t excel, who really test my patience. I have a brother who has confined his family to a legalist religious cult to the point that they have told him to get lost. I view that to be the mark of a God drunk individual, one that has created an alternative universe to deal with his own inadequacy. These are the types that are strong trump supporters, ones who trade love for a belonging system and follow a cult leader. Any wonder why they would rebel?

 

[JonC]

Why hasn't the Republican Party reversed it in all those years? Because they don't want to. It's a GREAT political issue for them.

Exactly.

The GOP needs the talking point to get those who vote emotionally to follow them. They do not want people to point out that since 1973 the Supreme Court has been mostly Republican appointees. They do not want people to realize that there were times the GOP controlled all branches of government but still could not get R vs W reversed. More than that, they do not want people to make the connection that nothing the GOP has done is geared to prevent abortion. It is just a talking point for the "sheeple", and it is a powerful talking point. But the GOP itself depends on abortion just as the DNC depends on racism and social injustice.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Oh you live in Texas, not taxes.

That’s a whole different kettle of fish

 

[Yeshua1]

I have seen several ti.es (at least three times on this board) the GOP being described as Christian.

As a Christian I view this as very problematic (to the point it is an anti-Christian view).

When I ask those who have made the claim to defend the statement I am met with silence, I assume because it is an indefensible comment.

But I will ask here -

What is Christian about the GOP?

From the Platform of both parties, R would support israel right to exist, God exists, and that abortion is wrong as is gay weddings, while dems offoically support ther anti positions!

 

[FollowTheWay]

That's intellectually dishonest nonsense. All but the stupidest people who read it see it for what it is.

In other words, you can't handle the truth.

 

[JonC]

From the Platform of both parties, R would support israel right to exist, God exists, and that abortion is wrong as is gay weddings, while dems offoically support ther anti positions!

There are atheist Republicans. There are also Republicans who do not believe the government should discriminate against people for their sexual preferences or their religion. The DNC and GOP are exactly the same - there is no difference whatsoever - EXCEPT the categories from which they derive their support. They depend on one another because they are the same system.

 

[Yeshua1]

There are atheist Republicans. There are also Republicans who do not believe the government should discriminate against people for their sexual preferences or their religion. The DNC and GOP are exactly the same - there is no difference whatsoever - EXCEPT the categories from which they derive their support. They depend on one another because they are the same system.

They ARE a solid core of Christians among the R party, and not nearly so many among the Dems!

 

[JonC]

They ARE a solid core of Christians among the R party, and not nearly so many among the Dems!

There are a solid core of Christians in the GOP AND the DNC. I am just questioning if there should be.

 

[Yeshua1]

There are a solid core of Christians in the GOP AND the DNC. I am just questioning if there should be.

God wants us to occupy until the Second Coming, so we should be involved in all spheres of our society, politics, movies, arts, music etc!