The Closed Theism of Calvinism

[Rippon]

From so-called closed theism to closed thread. How long will it take to close er' down?

 

[jbh28]

From so-called closed theism to closed thread. How long will it take to close er' down?

I think we are waiting for somebody to actually answer Van's question...oh wait...we have!

 

[Van]

The cat is out of the bag, not one Calvinist has stated what they actually believe, God predestines everything, the closed theism that turns God into a monster. It would be so easy for any Calvinist to post "Van, God does not predestine everything. He does not predestine our every sin. But, then the person would be "flirting" with open theism, and actually advocating "partially open theism."

All these unreferenced assertions of answering the question are simply smoke and mirrors, the so-called answer being basically ordained does not mean predestined. So God ordained and allowed. But the wiggle room, leaving "ordained" as meaning or not meaning predestined was not addressed, at least as I recall.

Behold, the Closed Theism of Calvinism that turns God into a Monster.

 

[glfredrick]

The cat is out of the bag, not one Calvinist has stated what they actually believe, God predestines everything, the closed theism that turns God into a monster. It would be so easy for any Calvinist to post "Van, God does not predestine everything. He does not predestine our every sin. But, then the person would be "flirting" with open theism, and actually advocating "partially open theism."

All these unreferenced assertions of answering the question are simply smoke and mirrors, the so-called answer being basically ordained does not mean predestined. So God ordained and allowed. But the wiggle room, leaving "ordained" as meaning or not meaning predestined was not addressed, at least as I recall.

Behold, the Closed Theism of Calvinism that turns God into a Monster.

Van, I'm sure with your vast store of biblical knowledge, what it means to call brothers and sisters in the Lord something they are not... More so, calling God a monster, even as you reference someone else's thoughts. YOU in fact are calling God a monster based on YOUR impression of others. God forbid... His mercy extend to you in ways you cannot even fathom. God is not a monster, and yet He is utterly sovereign, as you will one day discover.

 

[DHK]

The cat is out of the bag, not one Calvinist has stated what they actually believe, God predestines everything, the closed theism that turns God into a monster. It would be so easy for any Calvinist to post "Van, God does not predestine everything. He does not predestine our every sin. But, then the person would be "flirting" with open theism, and actually advocating "partially open theism."

The question was answered. I don't believe you listened or wanted to accept the answer that was given. jbh have a fairly clear answer.

All these unreferenced assertions of answering the question are simply smoke and mirrors, the so-called answer being basically ordained does not mean predestined. So God ordained and allowed. But the wiggle room, leaving "ordained" as meaning or not meaning predestined was not addressed, at least as I recall.

Now you are adding other terminology (without definition) to confuse the issue even further. That is not fair. The words previously being discussed were "decree, foreknowledge, omniscience." With that jbh gave a differentiation between two aspects of decree, and we can safely say that God does not actively decree all things. But all things are foreknown to him according to his omniscience. He would not be God if he did not know all things.

Behold, the Closed Theism of Calvinism that turns God into a Monster.

The accusation is false and ridiculous.

And with that the thread must be closed as others are suggesting.