The Context of the Parenthesis Church

[revmwc]

So the Satan is the ruler if this world, in your opinion just to make sure I understand right.

From what Paul says yes. God can and does overrule him though as in the case of Job where God would not allow satan to kill job.

 

[blessedwife318]

From what Paul says yes.

And now we have gotten into WOF territory which I think OR called a many pages ago.

 

[revmwc]

And now we have gotten into WOF territory which I think OR called a many pages ago.

WOF what does that mean?

 

[revmwc]

From what Paul says yes. God can and does overrule him though as in the case of Job where God would not allow satan to kill job.

We also see this

Ephesians 6:10-18.
10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;"

Where is our war at on earth or in Heaven? We are to put on the armor to be able to "stand against the wiles of the devil."
Who has possession of this earth? Look around and tell me, ISIS, al-Queda, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood etc. who drives these groups, satan how through the Principality demons, through the demons who have powers, the rulers of darkness, all under the leadership of satan. So who rules this earth currently?

God will pay Him the price for the redemption of the Earth which is god's wrath and judgement a as it is poured out during the Tribulation. At the end the unholy trinity that has come to fruition will be defeated. The beast and false Prophet (anti-christ that is the false messiah) will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire and satan will be bound for 1000 years. He will not be able to influence the earth for 1000 years, he will no longer have possession of it, because it will have been redeemed by the plagues and judgment of God during the Tribulation.

 

[blessedwife318]

WOF what does that mean?

Word of Faith

 

[revmwc]

Word of Faith

Faith in The Lord Jesus Christ is all you need for Salvation of the Soul. By Grace we are saved.

 

[blessedwife318]

I started a new thread about who is the owner of the earth to keep this thread from getting any more off topic then it already is.
who owns the earth

 

[revmwc]

We also see this

Ephesians 6:10-18.
10 "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;"

Where is our war at on earth or in Heaven? We are to put on the armor to be able to "stand against the wiles of the devil."
Who has possession of this earth? Look around and tell me, ISIS, al-Queda, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood etc. who drives these groups, satan how through the Principality demons, through the demons who have powers, the rulers of darkness, all under the leadership of satan. So who rules this earth currently?

God will pay Him the price for the redemption of the Earth which is god's wrath and judgement a as it is poured out during the Tribulation. At the end the unholy trinity that has come to fruition will be defeated. The beast and false Prophet (anti-christ that is the false messiah) will be cast alive into the Lake of Fire and satan will be bound for 1000 years. He will not be able to influence the earth for 1000 years, he will no longer have possession of it, because it will have been redeemed by the plagues and judgment of God during the Tribulation.

Something else which shows satan is currently in control of the earth, something that just popped into my head.
Matthew 4:8-9,
8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."
Luke 4:5-6,
5 "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it."

Satan could have delivered on that promise since he is the prince and power of the air. Whoever he wants to give those kingdoms to he will give it. He gives them to the Beast in Revelations.

God pours His wrath out on the earth and the unholy trinity as well as the inhabitants of the earth to redeem the lost possession, the possession lost by Adam.

 

[blessedwife318]

Something else which shows satan is currently in control of the earth, something that just popped into my head.
Matthew 4:8-9,
8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me."
Luke 4:5-6,
5 "And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, shewed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it."

Satan could have delivered on that promise since he is the prince and power of the air. Whoever he wants to give those kingdoms to he will give it. He gives them to the Beast in Revelations.

God pours His wrath out on the earth and the unholy trinity as well as the inhabitants of the earth to redeem the lost possession, the possession lost by Adam.

Yeah using the father of lies as a source doesn't really help your case.

 

[RLBosley]

Yeah using the father of lies as a source doesn't really help your case.

This forum really needs a "like" button.

 

[blessedwife318]

This forum really needs a "like" button.

Thank you

 

[revmwc]

It is close to being shut down, by the rules set.

I believe the question went to this because of the Context of the use of the "Parenthesis church."

Hopefully many gleaned what was the beginning of this Thread. That the Context in which it was used was as an analogy (illustration) rather than a doctrine.

 

[OldRegular]

It is close to being shut down, by the rules set.

I believe the question went to this because of the Context of the use of the "Parenthesis church."

Hopefully many gleaned what was the beginning of this Thread. That the Context in which it was used was as an analogy (illustration) rather than a doctrine.

The "parenthesis" Church is a doctrine of pre-rib-dispensationalism and I have shown that by quoting several dispensational scholars!

 

[OldRegular]

Yeah using the father of lies as a source doesn't really help your case.

:laugh:-:applause:-:laugh:-:applause:

 

[revmwc]

:laugh:-:applause:-:laugh:-:applause:

I didn't see where OR used the father of lies to make his point. I would never accuse anyone of doing that. I would post scripture and explain it. My problem is I try to get too deep and my point gets lost to some anyway.

 

[blessedwife318]

I didn't see where OR used the father of lies to make his point. I would never accuse anyone of doing that. I would post scripture and explain it. My problem is I try to get too deep and my point gets lost to some anyway.

That's because he didn't. You did when you were quoting the Devil's temptation to try to prove your point.

 

[revmwc]

That's because he didn't. You did when you were quoting the Devil's temptation to try to prove your point.

The devils temptation brought the curse on the earth and the earth needs to be redeemed from the curse. Christ Blood paid for mans sin, who received the payment for that sin. God was satisfied with the sacrifice of His Son, Bible says He did, in that Christ became the propitiation for all of mankind's sin. The earth proper is still under the curse because we have not seen "
17 "And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return."

This removed. When will the curse be removed? Because the very moment we are saved we are told we become a new creation old things are passed away behold all things become new. The earth is not new yet, and Isaiah 11:1-12,
1 "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:"

Jesus as the Stem of Jesse came forth but look at next verses

2 "And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins."

He hasn't reigned over the earth yet and finally we see the redeemed earth,

6 "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea.
10 And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.
11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.
12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth."

Because the Tribulation is the redemptive portion of Jesus' work in opening the seven sealed book of redemption then the 1000 year reign of Christ will be on the redeemed earth.

Then the "wolf also shall dwell with the lamb." Because the earth has been redeemed from the curse. The church age having ended before the Tribulation as N.T. prophecy tells us the mystery of the church was revealed but not as a "Parenthesis Church" as OR dwells upon but the as redeemed Bride of Christ who is saved by the Blood of the Lamb and kept from the time of Tribulation by being snatched away. Then there is the redemption of the earth which takes place in the tribulation with the bride removed.

 

[blessedwife318]

The devils temptation brought the curse on the earth and the earth needs to be redeemed from the curse.

First of all I was referring to you using Satan's temptation of Jesus as using the father of lies as a source, that holds no weight.
Second so just the Devil's temptation was enough to claim ownership?

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[DHK]

The "parenthesis" Church is a doctrine of pre-rib-dispensationalism and I have shown that by quoting several dispensational scholars!

I can't say I know exactly what Spurgeon believes. But I do know this. From what little I have read, he does not expect to go through the Tribulation.

Here is the theme of one of his sermons:

Ring the bells of heaven! Tune your voices, sons of earth! He who makes all things new is on the throne, working out his holy pleasure. Hallelujah! Hallelujah! Amen.

No matter where you are, you never have a reason not to rejoice.

But, by-and-by, there ill be a still greater joy. We shall enter into heaven, and there will be joy among the angels, and joy in our heart over God's new-creation work, which will proceed at a glorious rate. Then the nations will be converted to God. I know not when, nor exactly how, but the day shall come when Christ shall reign from pole to pole. And what a joy that will be! We shall indeed be glad in that which God creates, as the islands of the sea shall ring out his praise! Then Christ the Lord will come, and what joy and rejoicing there will be in that day when he has fully fashioned the new earth and the now heavens! His ancient people, the seed of Abraham, shall be gathered in with exultation. We will clap our hands when the longwandering nation shall turn unto the true God, and own the rejected Messiah, of the house of David! the Gentiles will not be jealous. They will rejoice as the Jew comes in; and then will the Jews rejoice over the Gentiles, as they see them worshipping Abraham's God. Everything that is to come in the eternal future flashes light into the eyes of believers, and calls upon them to rejoice in anticipation. Nothing prophesied should be dreaded by us. There is nothing foretold by seer, or beheld in vision, that can alarm the Christian. He can stand serenely on the brink of the great eternity, and say, "Come on! Let every event foretold become a fact! Pour out your vials, ye angels! Fall, thou star called Wormwood! Come, Gog and Magog, to the last great battle of Armageddon!" Nothing is to be dreaded: nothing is to be feared by those who are one with Jesus. To us remains nothing but joy and rejoicing, for God hath made his people a rejoicing; yea, his people a Joy.

It doesn't seem as if Spurgeon expected to go through the Tribulation, by what he says here.

From: Park Street and Metropolitan Tabernacle Pulpit (Spurgeon)
2211 God Rejoicing in the New Creation

 

[OldRegular]

I can't say I know exactly what Spurgeon believes. But I do know this. From what little I have read, he does not expect to go through the Tribulation.

No! He will not go through the tribulation but he was not pre-trib. He was Covenant premillennial.

With basic definitions before us, then, let's look at some quotes from Spurgeon to see what his position was on the Millennium.

"If I read the word aright, and it is honest to admit that there is much room for difference of opinion here, the day will come, when the Lord Jesus will descend from heaven with a shout, with the trump of the archangel and the voice of God. Some think that this descent of the Lord will be Post-millennial — that is, 'after the thousand years' of his reign. I CANNOT THINK SO. I conceive that the advent will be PRE-millennial — that He will come first; and then will come the millennium as the result of his personal reign upon earth. But whether or no, this much is the fact, that Christ will suddenly come, come to reign, and come to judge the earth in righteousness." [from Justification & Glory MTP Vol 11, Year 1865, pg. 249, Romans 8:30 (age 31)]

Here, stress is laid upon the Literal Nature of the second coming. Also, after this literal return is stressed a reigning upon the earth.

"We have done once for all with the foolish ideas of certain of the early heretics, that Christ's appearance upon earth was but a phantom. We know that he was really, personally, and physically here on earth. But it is not quite so clear to some persons that he is to come really, personally, and literally, the second time. I know there are some who are labouring to get rid of the fact of a personal reign, but as I take it, the coming and the reign are so connected together, that we must have a spiritual coming if we are to have a spiritual reign. Now we believe and hold that Christ shall come a second time suddenly, to raise his saints at the first judgment, and they shall reign with him afterwards. The rest of the dead live not till after the thousand years are finished. Then shall they rise from their tombs at the sounding of the trumpet, and their judgment shall come and they shall receive the deeds which they have done in their bodies." [from The Two Advents of Christ MTP Vol 8, Year 1862, pg. 39, Hebrews 9:27-28 (age 28)]

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