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Featured The Council of Trent and its support of paganism.

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Hobie, Mar 6, 2020.

  1. Yeshua1

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    I am just as saved as Paul or Peter or John!
     
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    And once again, faith is NOT simply "Believing".

    As I pointed out - we are told in James 2:19 that even the DEMONS believe in the truths about God.
    Are THEY saved?? Are THEY justified?? NO.

    Faith is Belief + Obedience (Works).
    In 1 Cor. 13:2, Paul says that even if you have faith that can move mountains but do not have love - it is WORTHLESS.
    In Gal. 5:6, he tells his readers that ALL that matters is faith WORKING through love.
    Christ told the crowds that NOT all those who call upon him will be saved - but ONLY the one who DOES the will of the Father (Matt. 7:21).

    It's not faith AND/OR works.
    They are part of the SAME thing - True faith.
     
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    Uh know I know exactly what you are talking about. I neither said I didnt nor did I imply it. I am trying to get you to take a real look at scripture instead of the susual cathie quoting of proof texts like you have been doing. Since you cannot discuss this without getting angry I will leave you to your misery.
     
  4. MarysSon

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    And this has NOTHING to do with what we are talking about.
    YOU don't have the power to forgive or retain sins.
     
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    TRANSLATION:
    "I'm not equipped to discuss this topic."

    That's what I thought . . .
     
  6. Yeshua1

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    true faith will produce good works , but not part at all of getting saved!
     
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    Neither do they, as only God can do that!
     
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    he sees salvation thru the lens of scripture itself, while you see it thru the rose tinted glasses of Rome!
     
  9. MarysSon

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    Apparently, you don't understand what "Faith" is.
    What is "Faith"??
     
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    That's NOT what Jesus said . . .

    John 20:21-23
    (Jesus) said to them again, "Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, so I send you."
    He said "Peace be with you" because they weren't at peace. they were AFRAID. Verse 19 tells us that much.
    And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the holy Spirit.
    Whose sins YOU FORGIVE are forgiven them, and whose sins YOU RETAIN are retained."
     
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    Where do the Scriptures tell us that salvation is found ONLY in the Scriptures?

    We are saved by God's GRACE by the blood of Christ shed on Calvary - but ewe are saved THROUGH His Church (Matt. 16:18-19. Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 15:12-15, John 20:21-23)..
     
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    That would be blasphemy , as ONLY Jesus saves us from our sins!
     
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    Not at ALL.
    I was very clear about that.

    THIS is what I said - so pay attention:
    "We are saved by God's GRACE by the blood of Christ shed on Calvary - but we are saved THROUGH His Church (Matt. 16:18-19. Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 15:12-15, John 20:21-23)."
     
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    Peter did not say that salvation is found in any church, or sacrament, but in Jesus Himself!
     
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    Ummmmm, I never mentioned Peter.
    However, as long as YOU mentioned him - here is what he said about Baptism:

    1 Pet. 3:21-22

    his prefigured baptism, which saves you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.

    Acts 2:38
    Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.
     
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    Amen!
     
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    Baptism is a type/symbol of the real basis of salvation, the person whose name was being baptized into!
     
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    I prefer the biblical view, as saved by grace alone thru faith alone!
     
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    That's NOT what the Bible says . . .

    1 Pet. 3:21-22
    his prefigured baptism, which SAVES you now. It is not a removal of dirt from the body but an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers subject to him.

    Acts 2:38
    Peter [said] to them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the holy Spirit.
     
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    You know the words, but not what they mean!
     
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