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The Criminals at Boeing & FAA

InTheLight

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Of course. Only Germany, France and US I think have capacity to examine these blackboxes. I may be wrong on the list of the countries but that's it.

Countries don't examine black boxes, experts in the technology do. Get an expert, examine the box.

Again, nothing is compelling Iran to turn over the box. Nothing.

The other one is of course common sense. An independent examination of the boxes is in everyone's interest. Iran is culpable so they can scarcely be independent.

What's there to know about system failures on the airplane? The airplane failed because it was shot out of the sky!
 

Reformed1689

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@Agent47 why do we need the black boxes at this point? They are not going to tell you anything we do not already know? They can't account for a missile strike on the aircraft, that is n ot their purpose. This was not a system failure, it was not pilot error, it was a terrorist attack.
 

Agent47

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Countries don't examine black boxes, experts in the technology do. Get an expert, examine the box.

Again, nothing is compelling Iran to turn over the box. Nothing.



What's there to know about system failures on the airplane? The airplane failed because it was shot out of the sky!

Those experts don't live in Mars but in countries and they examine the boxes in labs in some countries, and not on Mars either.

Why silly semantics?

Get the boxes, let the whole world know what transpired,how will the jet handles such external pressure bla bla.

Just because you know the cause don't mean the records are unnecessary
 

Agent47

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@Agent47 why do we need the black boxes at this point? They are not going to tell you anything we do not already know? They can't account for a missile strike on the aircraft, that is n ot their purpose. This was not a system failure, it was not pilot error, it was a terrorist attack.

On the contrary they will. You will learn about the reaction of the pilots and how the jet handled the impact. I could list all the information drawn from the boxes without the cause of the crash.

The cause is the main thing of course.
 

InTheLight

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Those experts don't live in Mars but in countries and they examine the boxes in labs in some countries, and not on Mars either.

Why silly semantics?

Get the boxes, let the whole world know what transpired,how will the jet handles such external pressure bla bla.

Just because you know the cause don't mean the records are unnecessary

You're moving the goalposts. To refresh, here is what the discussion is about:

Why is Iran compelled to hand over the black box to Boeing, the FAA, or anyone?
 

Reformed1689

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On the contrary they will. You will learn about the reaction of the pilots and how the jet handled the impact. I could list all the information drawn from the boxes without the cause of the crash.

The cause is the main thing of course.
Why do you need that information? What good does that do?
 

just-want-peace

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If I didn't know better, I would think the mad hatter - Shiff - was posting on this topic. Much of this "logic" seems to make as much sense as his impeachment rhetoric!!
('Course, I really DON'T know better, so it just may be him!!!:eek::eek::eek::eek:)
 

atpollard

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That should worry you
I seldom fly, and the last plane I flew on was a Lockheed.
So the danger of a Boeing plane falling from the sky on me is so small that I simple cannot bring myself to worry over it.

How many trans-oceanic flights do make that this is such a high concern for you?
 

Agent47

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I seldom fly, and the last plane I flew on was a Lockheed.
So the danger of a Boeing plane falling from the sky on me is so small that I simple cannot bring myself to worry over it.

How many trans-oceanic flights do make that this is such a high concern for you?

millions fly more frequently than you. I never rode motorbikes and I don’t care nothing about motorbikes. What would I be doing on motorbike threads?
 

OnlyaSinner

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You're moving the goalposts. To refresh, here is what the discussion is about:

Why is Iran compelled to hand over the black box to Boeing, the FAA, or anyone?
Compelled? required? Not at all. However, probably since black boxes were first installed on commercial airplanes it's been customary and sensible to invite reps from the country, and from the company, of manufacture to be part of the team examining the things. Also reps from the airline and its country. Doesn't matter if it's Boeing, Airbus, Embraer, Bombardier, Aeroflot, whatever.
 

BroTom64

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I partly understand why Iran refused to hand over the blackboxes. Neither FAA nor Boeing are trustworthy.

The FAA is duplicitous in all of this and probably many other investigations because hurting an American giant was worse than risking the lives of tens of thousands who fly on Boeing's death traps. I bet Airbus jets underwent much more scrutiny.:Frown

How Boeing’s Responsibility in a Deadly Crash ‘Got Buried’

Your linking an event that happened a decade ago with the recent event of Iran's shooting down the Boeing airline is both confusing and disingenuous.
What does Boeing's alleged actions in a 10 year old accident have to do with the clear action of the Iranians in shooting down this jet?

Also, (It Seems To Me as I open myself up to criticism) many are jumping the gun on the causes of the shoot-down. It is clear that the plane crash was the result of two Iranian missiles. What I am unsure about is was the shoot down because of a missile crew's over excitement or a directly ordered event from the Iranian leaders of something in between.

What I am sure of is that the truth of the matter will probably be buried by the Iranians along with the bodies of the crew(s) who fired the missiles. Unless it was truly the fault of a random missile crew, then few will believe that the Iranian Government didn't order the attack.

While I believe the Iranians could have ordered the attack, I have not seen evidence that they did. I also have not spent any time looking for it. If they did order the attack, they will deny it.
 

church mouse guy

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Your linking an event that happened a decade ago with the recent event of Iran's shooting down the Boeing airline is both confusing and disingenuous.
What does Boeing's alleged actions in a 10 year old accident have to do with the clear action of the Iranians in shooting down this jet?

Also, (It Seems To Me as I open myself up to criticism) many are jumping the gun on the causes of the shoot-down. It is clear that the plane crash was the result of two Iranian missiles. What I am unsure about is was the shoot down because of a missile crew's over excitement or a directly ordered event from the Iranian leaders of something in between.

What I am sure of is that the truth of the matter will probably be buried by the Iranians along with the bodies of the crew(s) who fired the missiles. Unless it was truly the fault of a random missile crew, then few will believe that the Iranian Government didn't order the attack.

While I believe the Iranians could have ordered the attack, I have not seen evidence that they did. I also have not spent any time looking for it. If they did order the attack, they will deny it.

The Russians & Iranians are allies so they might have attacked the Ukraine airliner for that reason but I think that they were after the 63 Canadians who were born Iranians. They did not realize that everyone in the world had military information the moment that they fired their missiles. Canada has been giving foreign aid to Iran. What will Trudeau do? (Nothing) Canada probably will compensate the families of Canadian victims as Trudeau is already blaming Trump because of the chronology of the events. Canada is in a recession but Trudeau still spends money like water. Trump is quixotic in trying to administer CPR to a deceased NATO as Europe is a series of deadbeat aristocrats who want us to do their fighting. Canada also refuses to spend on their military as they fear global warming more than their military enemies. Canada has vast oil reserves but still imports 10% of their oil from the Saudis in order to punish their oil patch economically for voting against Trudeau. Iran will get away with this murder.
 
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