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Discussion in 'Calvinism & Arminianism Debate' started by JonC, May 8, 2022.

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  1. Silverhair

    Silverhair Well-Known Member

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    There is the problem with calvinism, you are incapable of doing anything unless God directs it then you claim that God does not direct sin because you do not like that but your theology requires it not the bible. Your theology has so many holes in it that it leaks like a sieve. Total contradiction.

    Good thing that most people do not follow calvinism.
     
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  3. JonC

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    I don't believe in sifting through translations until we find one we like.

    That said, some would read that Christ gave "his life as a redemption in exchange-for many" to read that God punished Christ instead of us.

    They read what is not there. Why? They allow their presuppositions to influence their reading (they read into Scripture rather than allowing Scripture to dictate their faith).

    AND they are often blind to this. They truly believe their preconceived ideas are in the text because the text is close enough. They do not believe every word of Scripture is important or intentional, but instead they turn to the Bible to support what they have already decided to believe.
     
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    The issue is you are not talking about actual Scripture. You are talking about what you believe Scripture teaches.

    And this has led you into sin - rather than disagreeing with and did using doctrine you have ventured into judging Another's servant.
     
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    This is an illustration of what I am talking about, @37818 :

    I say "It's a little hazy today"

    Someone reads "JonC says there is a lot of smog in the city this morning, therefore JonC is advocating for alternate energy and a ban on fossil fuels to reduce pollution."

    This is what we see people doing all the time with Scripture.

    The Bible says Christ ransomed us, that Christ died for our sins and we were purchased with His blood.

    They read that Christ died instead of us, God punished Him instead of punishing us."

    See what I mean. What they read is not in the Bible. It is not even actually taught by "what is written" but is a presupposed idea that colors their reading of Scripture. And they do not even realize this - they do not see what they are adding to God's Word.

    That is the danger of unchecked presuppositions.
     
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    Well seeing as how the Bible says nobody wants God...... I know that is inconvenient for you,
     
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    Maybe your twisted version of the Bible.
     
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    So I noticed you did not actually address my post. Telling...
     
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    You left Calvinism because you became a humanist. Plain and simple.
     
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    Correct. One wonders whether the gospel of God's grace is understood or if it's rejected.
    Jon, your unchecked presuppositions are noted.
    Moreso, your incapacity to exegete any Bible passage while railing against straw men you have created is also noted.
    As per your m. o. you provide empty words full of posture, yet with no substance. Like a peacock, you strut around with feathers out, but provide nothing of substance.

    There are people at the BB who intentionally promote human-centered philosophy and propose it to be gospel. Your posts follow that pattern. Congratulations in providing no spiritual edification to the board.
     
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    1 Peter 2:21-25
    For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth. When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

    Sigh...you are tiresome in your rejection of God's word. Will you also falsely claim that I added to scripture here as well? I did not change the font color so as not to confuse you, but perhaps you will now falsely claim that the bold is not found in the Bible.

    Based on your incapacity to exegete God's Word, it is increasingly evident you have found your philosophy in extra biblical writings.
     
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    The problem is what is being denied. ,What is the atonement to be called? Isaiah 53:6, ". . . the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all. . . ." Romans 6:23, ". . . the wages of sin is death . . . ." Romans 5:8, ". . . while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. . . ." What should this Biblically to be called?
     
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    I will caution you all that when people adopt an “I’m-more-spiritual-than-you-because-I-tithe…or homeschool…or whatever…blah blah blah mindset, a culture of legalism prevails. That kind of psychological manipulation threatens to destroy the church. That’s the aspect of this view that troubles me the most. What you are all forgetting is that Sunday-morning sins, like When people adopt an “I’m-more-spiritual-than-you-because-I-tithe…or homeschool…or wear a bonnet…or make my own bread…or don’t have a television…or take notes in church” mindset, a culture of legalism prevails. That kind of psychological manipulation threatens to destroy the church. That’s the aspect of this view that troubles me the most. What these people forget is that Sunday-morning sins, like self-righteousness and judgmentalism, are just as heinous in the sight of God as Saturday-night sins, like drunkenness and debauchery. And I refuse to be a part of it. So let all the legalists, absolutist and universalists consider their theological positions and stop the weaponizing before throwing rocks at fellow Christians. I’m out!!! God bless.
     
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    I would also caution you that the Pauline Epistles instruct the Church to judge. Church discipline is commanded, not suggested. Church discipline is judgment. By their fruits, ye shall know them. You don't discount fruits because you are afraid to appear judgmental.
     
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    Then I’m free to judge you via my theological prospective as a Old School Baptist. But since I’m a follower I would tell you that we do not throw rocks or set ourselves up as the righteous ones… maybe that’s why I’m proud to be a member. :D
     
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    Irony abounds in your post.
     
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