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The desolate land of Israel becomes like the Garden of Eden
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unprofitable
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Are you saying the New Covenant is not with the church?The Church is not cut out, they are spiritual Israel, the olive branches that were grafted into Israel's covenant with God.
The covenant is not with the Church, it's with Israel.
unprofitable
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Who was the kingdom given to? Christ clearly says it is taken from IsraelHogwash
unprofitable
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I have given you scripture. Where is yoursHogwash
Ephesians 2:11-22. '...For He [Christ] Himself is our peace, who has made the two [Jew and Gentile] one. .... His purpose was to create in Himself one new man out of the two , thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which He put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For by Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit.' (NIV, 1984).
God's plan was and is to bring all peoples together in one in the Lord Jesus Christ (c.f. Gen. 12:3; 18:18 etc; Gal. 3:8-9, 28-29). Ezekiel 36, when viewed through the lens of the Lord Jesus (John 1:45; 5:39), teaches that plan. This is not 'replacement theology' but Inclusion Theology.
Yes, Paul tells us there is no difference in the Greek (Gentile) and the Jew.
But when you see Zechariah 8:23 take place in the future during the 1000 year reign you will understand what I'm talking about.
"Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
Yes, Paul tells us there is no difference in the Greek (Gentile) and the Jew.
But when you see Zechariah 8:23 take place in the future during the 1000 year reign you will understand what I'm talking about.
"Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
During this coming 1000 year reign of Christ, Israel will be the premiere nation on earth over all the Gentile nations, as you can see in the OP.
The nations that have persecuted Israel in centuries past will become servants of Israel and Israel will rule over them.
During this coming 1000 year reign of Christ, Israel will be the premiere nation on earth over all the Gentile nations, as you can see in the OP.
The nations that have persecuted Israel in centuries past will become servants of Israel and Israel will rule over them.
It's going to be a "in your face" thing for all of you Covenant Theologists that deny Israel their destiny in the calling of God's chosen people.
unprofitable
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Christ has created the Church as the seedline of Abraham to do judgment and justice. (Gen 18:19). It is the planting of the Lord as revealed in Isa 61:3 and not the vain imagination of men. The grafting in of Israel began in the Church at Jerusalem with Christ as the first church had its foundation in the apostles, the prophets, Christ being the chief corner and has continued ever since. It is the only place where we are made one with Christ, in his body. 1 Cor 12:18 says, "But now hath God set the members EVERY ONE of them in the body (of Christ) as it has pleased HIM. It is the planting of the Lord as spokken of in Isa 61:3. This is the inclusion that Martin pointed out.
Zechariah is speaking of the church and it and is seen on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:5 when it is said, "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem, Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." Three thousand were added that day, easily the 10 men ratio spoken of.
I believe there will be a thousand year reign but it will still be by the Church after it is put in order, the true Jews being manifested in it. What kind of organization would be superior to that which has already been created by Chist? What purpose would it serve to be to be in any nation other than than in the body of Christ?
Zechariah is speaking of the church and it and is seen on the day of Pentecost in Acts 2:5 when it is said, "And there were dwelling at Jerusalem, Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven." Three thousand were added that day, easily the 10 men ratio spoken of.
I believe there will be a thousand year reign but it will still be by the Church after it is put in order, the true Jews being manifested in it. What kind of organization would be superior to that which has already been created by Chist? What purpose would it serve to be to be in any nation other than than in the body of Christ?
Are you saying the New Covenant is not with the church?
I'm saying the New Covenant was made with Israel and we Gentiles are grafted into that Covenant with Israel.
I'm saying the New Covenant was made with Israel and we Gentiles are grafted into that Covenant with Israel.
Here you go!
Jeremiah 31:31-34
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
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unprofitable
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So what is Christ going to do with those to whom he said, You have not chosen me, I have CHOSEN you? Is not this the calling out (CHOSEN) as shown as the sons of Abraham able to do judgment and justice by the Holy Spirit? Remember, when Christ stripped the kingdom from Israel, he also stripped them of the Holy Spirit.It's going to be a "in your face" thing for all of you Covenant Theologists that deny Israel their destiny in the calling of God's chosen people.
So what is Christ going to do with those to whom he said, You have not chosen me, I have CHOSEN you? Is not this the calling out (CHOSEN) as shown as the sons of Abraham able to do judgment and justice by the Holy Spirit? Remember, when Christ stripped the kingdom from Israel, he also stripped them of the Holy Spirit.
The Church is just as important to Christ as His chosen people Israel. We who are in Christ take a back seat to no one, we are those precious jewels He speaks of that He treasures.
It's during the 1000 years reign that Israel will be what God intended for them to be. The light of the world carrying Christ to the ends of the earth, which they will do during those 1000 years.
unprofitable
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I am sorry brother but this the prophecy of the manifestation of the planting of the hands of the Lord (Isa 61:3 . There are only two covenants and the :Old has been fading away. Therefore we are left only with the New and if so what covenant can national Israel be grafted into but the New? The New Covenant is given to the Church with national Israel only included in the context of being added to the body of Christ, the good olive tree.) How then can national Israel be superior the body of Christ?Here you go!
Jeremiah 31:31-34
"Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
Read full chapter
Indeed he does.Yes, Paul tells us there is no difference in the Greek (Gentile) and the Jew.
So do you think that Paul got it wrong? Or do we need to revise our thinking about what a Jew is?But when you see Zechariah 8:23 take place in the future during the 1000 year reign you will understand what I'm talking about.
"Thus saith the Lord of hosts; In those days it shall come to pass, that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard that God is with you."
Romans 2:28-29. 'For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.'
Phil. 3:3. 'For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.'
Gal. 3:7, KJV. 'Know ye therefore that they who are of faith, the same are the sons of Abraham.'
Gal. 3:28-29. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in CHrist Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.'
In the reign of Christ, it is He who rules (Matt. 28:18. Note the Perfect Tense).During this coming 1000 year reign of Christ, Israel will be the premiere nation on earth over all the Gentile nations, as you can see in the OP.
The nations that have persecuted Israel in centuries past will become servants of Israel and Israel will rule over them.
Psalm 2:8-9. 'Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.'
unprofitable
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ExactlyIndeed he does.
So do you think that Paul got it wrong? Or do we need to revise our thinking about what a Jew is?
Romans 2:28-29. 'For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.'
Phil. 3:3. 'For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.'
Gal. 3:7, KJV. 'Know ye therefore that they who are of faith, the same are the sons of Abraham.'
Gal. 3:28-29. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in CHrist Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.'
In the reign of Christ, it is He who rules (Matt. 28:18. Note the Perfect Tense).
Psalm 2:8-9. 'Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.'
unprofitable
Active Member
The Church is just as important to Christ as His chosen people Israel. We who are in Christ take a back seat to no one, we are those precious jewels He speaks of that He treasures.
It's during the 1000 years reign that Israel will be what God intended for them to be. The light of the world carrying Christ to the ends of the earth, which they will do during those 1000 years.
I am sorry brother but this the prophecy of the manifestation of the planting of the hands of the Lord (Isa 61:3 . There are only two covenants and the :Old has been fading away. Therefore we are left only with the New and if so what covenant can national Israel be grafted into but the New? The New Covenant is given to the Church with national Israel only included in the context of being added to the body of Christ, the good olive tree.) How then can national Israel be superior the body of Christ?
Show me the Scripture where God made a New Covenant with the Church. He didn't, Paul explained it to us and I showed it to you that we Gentiles are grafted into Israel's Covenant.
It's not my problem you won't believe it.
unprofitable
Active Member
What will national Israel be preaching that is different from what the Church is to be teaching today? Christ told them "Ye are the light of the world." Mt 5:14 What light will national Israel have that is not now know by the Church especially in the context that Christ told them, "....for ALL THINGS I have heard of my Father, I HAVE made known unto you." It is also said in Ephesians 3:10 "...that it might be known BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom (ALL THINGS) of God. Christ himself stripped nation Israel of the Holy Spirit. In order for Israel to be the light they must come to those who have the light.
Indeed he does.
So do you think that Paul got it wrong? Or do we need to revise our thinking about what a Jew is?
Romans 2:28-29. 'For he is not a Jew who is one outwardly, nor is circumcision that which is outward in the flesh; but he is Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the Spirit, not in the letter; whose praise is not from men but from God.'
Phil. 3:3. 'For we are the circumcision, who worship God in the Spirit, rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.'
Gal. 3:7, KJV. 'Know ye therefore that they who are of faith, the same are the sons of Abraham.'
Gal. 3:28-29. 'There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in CHrist Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.'
In the reign of Christ, it is He who rules (Matt. 28:18. Note the Perfect Tense).
Psalm 2:8-9. 'Ask of Me, and I will give You the nations for Your inheritance, and the ends of the earth for Your possession. You shall break them with a rod of iron; You shall dash them to pieces like a potter's vessel.'
Yes it is Christ that rules.
But the entire world will have to come through the Jews to get to HIm.
It's believed the 10 men from all the nations are envoys that come to pay respects to Christ, they are accompanied by the Jewish priests.
Zechariah says that all nations will come to Jerusalem to keep the feast of Tabernacles, and they will have to go through God's chosen to do it.
Zechariah said the nations that don't come up will receive no rain. He goes as far as saying Egypt will be one of those nations.
What will national Israel be preaching that is different from what the Church is to be teaching today? Christ told them "Ye are the light of the world." Mt 5:14 What light will national Israel have that is not now know by the Church especially in the context that Christ told them, "....for ALL THINGS I have heard of my Father, I HAVE made known unto you." It is also said in Ephesians 3:10 "...that it might be known BY THE CHURCH the manifold wisdom (ALL THINGS) of God. Christ himself stripped nation Israel of the Holy Spirit. In order for Israel to be the light they must come to those who have the light.
Believe what you will, what is that to me?