The Dietary Laws

[DHK]

Tommy Titcomb was a missionary to Africa, specifically the cannibalistic tribes of Africa. One time on furlough he was asked if he had ever eaten human flesh. Tommy answered that the Bible says: "Whatsoever is set before you that eat, asking no questions for conscience sake." Many times he ate, not knowing what he ate. He really didn't know. Although, he testified, "One time I ate some stey, and I was sure there were something that looked exactly like human eyeballs floating on top."
Do you eat whatever is set before you?
DHK

 

[gekko]

haha. you people sure like to take scripture and use it to fit your own desires dont you?

the vision that peter had. it is a vision - representing not what the vision is - but something else.

if you have a dream that a cow was going to come in and raid your fridge - would you take it literally? no.

we cannot take visions literally - unless otherwise stated by the Lord (such as revelations - not all of it is figurative - but that's another story)

the vision was about going to the gentiles - and giving them the gospel. nothing else. that's what it was intended for.

if you dont think so. read the word of God and let the Holy spirit lead. not you.

God bless.

 

[rbell]

Then, Gekko...

Why did God use animals? And what do you do with 1 Timothy 4:4?

And if you're going to go by the OT laws...then make sure to stone any unrepentant child, and make sure that you never wear clothing made of two different kinds of material.

The Holy Spirit does lead me, thank you...tread lightly before insinuating that anyone is rebelling against God.

 

[Claudia_T]

DHK,

I dont believe that about not being able to keep the Sabbath because Jesus never sinned and He kept the Sabbath.

Right? He said "which of you convincteth Me of sin"? and the Bible also says that He was tempted in all points as we are, yet without sin. So Jesus never violated the Sabbath. And He didnt go around acting like what you describe.

I see it as that the Pharisees had distored the true meaning of the Sabbath. Remember how they got after Jesus for rubbing the grains together and eating on the Sabbath?

Matthew 12:
1: At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.
2: But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3: But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
4: How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
5: Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6: But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7: But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.


See how it was Jesus who was the one who really did keep the Sabbath? So its not like it cant be kept. He was guiltless.

Jn:15:10: I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

They loaded the Sabbath down with rigorous exactions.

Matthew 5:
9: And when he was departed thence, he went into their synagogue:
10: And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11: And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12: How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.
13: Then saith he to the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it forth; and it was restored whole, like as the other.


Notice it says it is LAWFUL to do well on the Sabbath?

They didnt ever keep Sabbath the way it was meant to be kept.


Claudia

 

[gekko]

never said anyone was rebelling against God.

why did God use animals? because there is a distinction between clean and unclean animals just as much as between Jews and Gentiles.

the gentiles compared to the Jews are unclean.
the Jews are clean.

that is what the vision is representing.
now dont go holding to me that i say all gentiles are unclean and therefore unsaved. dont go there.

did you read the last few verses of leviticus 11? it states why we are to follow the dietary laws... hmmm...

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by rbell:
Then, Gekko...

Why did God use animals? And what do you do with 1 Timothy 4:4?

And if you're going to go by the OT laws...then make sure to stone any unrepentant child, and make sure that you never wear clothing made of two different kinds of material.

The Holy Spirit does lead me, thank you...tread lightly before insinuating that anyone is rebelling against God.

but if you get to call me a theological contortionist and a food nazi, then I get to call you a rebellious something-or-other (havent thought of the exact thing to call you yet)

 

[rbell]

Flaw in logic, gekko:

I point out Leviticus 11:35 to Claudia because she believes she needs to keep the dietary laws. I'm showing her that her interpretation must be consistent...i.e., she must keep ALL dietary laws.

Since I believe that Christ has redeemed us and that the law is no longer our master, then I am not bound by Leviticus 11:35 (my example), OR Leviticus 11:46-47 (your example).

At least I am being consistent.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
DHK,

I dont believe that about not being able to keep the Sabbath because Jesus never sinned and He kept the Sabbath.
Claudia

Are you Jesus? Are you sinless?

1 John 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

1 John 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

Jesus didn't live in a nation where it gets to be minus 70 degrees during the winter time. The known world at that time was confined to a very small space. The law of keeping the Sabbath was only for one nation, for one period of time. You can find those directives in Exodus 31.
DHK

 

[rbell]

Originally posted by Claudia_T:
but if you get to call me a theological contortionist and a food nazi, then I get to call you a rebellious something-or-other (havent thought of the exact thing to call you yet)

Aw, come on...you can do better than "something-or-other."

Hesitations 2:53 says, "When thou callest thine opponent in an animated discussion a name, thou mayest not use an hyphenated insult. The insult that thou usest must cause much laughter in the land."

You may not have that particular scripture. It's in one of the Textus Rejectus manuscripts.

Try again!

 

[gekko]

in the new testament it states that the "law was our school master to bring us to Christ"

now - when you graduated (assuming nobody has dropped out of school) did you go and bust a cap in your principles head?

no. because you were thankful to him.
the law is the school-master. Christ is graduation. nobody goes and kills their schoolmaster after being graduated... do they?

 

[Jim1999]

Methinks thou dost protest too much...........3 pages since I said I eat pork.........wow!

By the way, did you know that one can eat porcupine raw without any ill effects? Just be careful with the toothpicks that come with it! They can stick in the intestines if ingested.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[rbell]

Originally posted by gekko:
in the new testament it states that the "law was our school master to bring us to Christ"

now - when you graduated (assuming nobody has dropped out of school) did you go and bust a cap in your principles head?

no. because you were thankful to him.
the law is the school-master. Christ is graduation. nobody goes and kills their schoolmaster after being graduated... do they?

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to say here.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Jim1999:
Methinks thou dost protest too much...........3 pages since I said I eat pork.........wow!

Cheers,

Jim

It's almost a post every two minutes Jim. I think people like their pork here in North America.

 

[gekko]

what im trying to say is:

the law is our schoolmaster. Christ is graduation.

when you graduate - you dont go killing the schoolmaster.

in other words - you dont get rid of the law just because you've graduated...

what's the point in graduating then?

 

[rbell]

Nah...we just like to HOG the BB...

 

[gekko]

huh? whats that supposed to mean?


oh... nice pun. very funny. haha.

 

[Jim1999]

well, you could get hogtied with the rhetoric...I still love English pork pies, but $2,000.00 is a bit much just now...oh, the flight over home.

Cheers,

Jim

 

[Claudia_T]

gekko,

Could you please explain to me about the lost sheep and the shepherd breaking its leg and then it heals?

Why does he break its leg and does it heal all the way?


Claudia

 

[Claudia_T]

Originally posted by rbell:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Claudia_T:
but if you get to call me a theological contortionist and a food nazi, then I get to call you a rebellious something-or-other (havent thought of the exact thing to call you yet)

Aw, come on...you can do better than "something-or-other."

Hesitations 2:53 says, "When thou callest thine opponent in an animated discussion a name, thou mayest not use an hyphenated insult. The insult that thou usest must cause much laughter in the land."

You may not have that particular scripture. It's in one of the Textus Rejectus manuscripts.

Try again! </font>[/QUOTE]Okay wait.. it's coming to me...

look at the similarities...

rbell rebellious

I have to try and make a name for you out of that..

**thinking**

 

[gekko]

i think the reason the shephard breaks the sheeps leg is so that when they get back to the rest of the herd, it won't run away again...

im not sure if it heals all the way. im sure the shephard would do something to help heal it more.

it won't run away again because it knows the consequences of its actions of running away.