I totally agree with all of that. But must square those accounts with Jesus telling the Samaritan Woman that soon it won't matter what mountain you worship on, that we will worship in Spirit and Truth.
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The Doctrine of RPW
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I don’t see much practical difference in the distinction.
All I see is tradition and Christ spoke against it. Worship should never have controls. Many believe they have to go to Church in order for their worship to be recognized. Every Christian knows better than to worship anything else.Yet many still worship there hero's.Rules eliminate the feelings of the heart. Makes it a work.
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That is fine.
I agree with the RPW because I believe God does direct us how to worship through scripture. Practically, the RPW eliminates "strange fire" from worship. However, I realize this is an issue that not every Christian agrees with.
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Please show me from Scrupture where 1st Baptist Jerusalem had an Interpretive Dance Team, pledged allegiance to the Roman Banner or Jewish One, staged plays for Xmas or Easter?
The RPW onlysays that we will only do worship as Scripture commands
The RPW onlysays that we will only do worship as Scripture commands
That was the Episcopal Church that had all those things. Passion plays date back to Augustine according to Encyclopedia Britannica. I consider the Jesus film (made by Bill Bright with money from the Hunts in 1979) a passion play based upon the Book of Luke. I myself think that passion plays are very useful in reaching everyone, especially those who are illiterate. Most churches have the American flag and the Christian flag. I agree with those who say that love of country is part of Christianity but I don't have the Scripture for it at the moment. Roman Catholic Dr. Taylor Marshall did a YouTube video on the subject very recently as Pope Francis has called for open borders and denounced American patriotism. Pope Francis has said that we need to obey the UN.
I mean, do the churches that affirm the RPW ever flip flop the order of the components? Do communion first and sing all the psalms at the end? That's what I meant with my comment. While I can easily accept your statement that it's the components that drive the process, setting an order seems to be part and parcel.
I understand the need to avoid strange fire, though. I just wonder if the RPW is another version of us putting a hedge around the law.
I know it says that. It's in my post.
Not sure what you mean by "love of country," but the New Testament makes a clear case for Christians being good citizens and obeying the authorities, as long as they can do so and still obey God (who comes first). I'm all for patriotism, but the church meeting is about God, not country.
I can't make a ruling, but I will give my understanding. It seems to me that the Bible exhorts the entire congregation to sing, e.g. Ephesians 5:19, Colossians 3:16.
Well, I'm currently reading through 1 Chronicles, so I would say cymbals, lyres, trumpets, and choirs are mandatory. And linen ephods.
(And to think that the wearing of surplices helped touch off a war in the Old Country.)
The order is immaterial. It can be changed up. Not all all elements may be present in one service. Ex: baptism
Oh, I have to get into what the RCC is saying but God made the nations after the tower of Babel so I think that I will have to listen to Dr. Taylor Marshall to give you more details. I don't see anything wrong with the American Flag in a church. I have seen churches that displayed the flag of the City of Indianapolis along with the flag of the State of Indiana. The Battle Hymn of the Republic has been sung in a lot of northern churches for over 150 years.
Other than not seeing anything wrong with it, what biblical case would you make for it being there?
Not a fan.
Why would you want to mix Caesar w things of God?
Casear is not a friend of the Church nor God
Casear is not a friend of the Church nor God
Prominent Southern Baptist church that has banned the American flag:
9Marks • Capitol Hill Baptist Church
"at CHBC we have removed the American flag, not only from the platform, but from the building....Our membership includes people from the UK, Ireland, Singapore, Benin, China, Eritrea, Korea, El Salvador, Bolivia, Egypt, Moldova, Russia, Ukraine, and more. Not all of our members agree with America’s politics overseas, politics which that flag represents"
9Marks • Capitol Hill Baptist Church
"at CHBC we have removed the American flag, not only from the platform, but from the building....Our membership includes people from the UK, Ireland, Singapore, Benin, China, Eritrea, Korea, El Salvador, Bolivia, Egypt, Moldova, Russia, Ukraine, and more. Not all of our members agree with America’s politics overseas, politics which that flag represents"
So they have gone globalist. No borders. Everyone is a world citizen. This is not a virtue.
Okay, I have been listening to some of the RCC in the video linked above. The discussion of this topic starts about 56 minutes in as Dr. Marshall handed his recent book to Pope Francis in Rome and that dominated the early discussion. They talk about forms of government, and you know that the RCC looks to the Greeks through Aquinas but they conclude that a republic is an acceptable form of government. So the USA has a good form of government consistent with Christian virtue. They mention that the Supreme Court ruled in Roe v Wade that it is illegal for a state to make abortion illegal and they praised states that have gone ahead recently and made abortion illegal. They say that patriotism is a virtue. So Christians would have to support patriotism as a theological doctrine in face of attacks from globalism, governments such as the EU and the United Nations, and the notion of open borders. The SBC calls for a free church in a free state as a Christian ideal so Christianity is very much involved in what is good government and what is Christian duty in pursuance of good government. So therefore, I think that the encouragement of patriotism is a Christian ideal as Christians are ultimately patriots in New Jerusalem. God has given every man his own nation in my opinion and we are not to go back to the Tower of Babel and the oppressive military dictatorship of another Nimrod as is our human nature in disobedience to God's direct command to Noah and his sons, as we too are sons of Noah. Genesis 9:1 (KJV) And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. Acts 10:34-35 (KJV) Then Peter opened [his] mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.
XVII. Religious Liberty
God alone is Lord of the conscience, and He has left it free from the doctrines and commandments of men which are contrary to His Word or not contained in it. Church and state should be separate. The state owes to every church protection and full freedom in the pursuit of its spiritual ends. In providing for such freedom no ecclesiastical group or denomination should be favored by the state more than others. Civil government being ordained of God, it is the duty of Christians to render loyal obedience thereto in all things not contrary to the revealed will of God. The church should not resort to the civil power to carry on its work. The gospel of Christ contemplates spiritual means alone for the pursuit of its ends. The state has no right to impose penalties for religious opinions of any kind. The state has no right to impose taxes for the support of any form of religion. A free church in a free state is the Christian ideal, and this implies the right of free and unhindered access to God on the part of all men, and the right to form and propagate opinions in the sphere of religion without interference by the civil power.
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