The Dominant White Response to Baltimore Shows Why Black Residents are Justified

[poncho]

Wow! You are really out of touch.

I expect you are out of touch with the minority community where you live as well.

Interesting that you would choose to use the term "minority community". Is that how you look at other people, as belonging to a different "community" than your own?

Feeling a little privileged are ya Crabby?

 

[carpro]

A reminder and a warning:

Just because whites, or at least mobs of whites, are not, in this day and age, known for wreaking havoc upon blacks and their communities does not mean that such things can’t or won’t happen in the future. The past could repeat itself if a tipping point is reached, for just as there is nothing within the nature of blacks as blacks that accounts for their rioting, so there is nothing within the nature of whites as whites that explains why they haven’t rioted in many decades.

Violence against the persons and property of innocent human beings, no matter their race, is always wrong. But if this isn’t enough to deter those who are disposed to commit this evil from doing so, they would be well served to consider that violence just might eventually beget more violence.

When this happens, life becomes unpleasant for everyone.

 

[righteousdude2]

I'll address the root cause of the rage held in the black communities. It stems from the fact that the black communities are racist. They feel they are entitled to things that other hard working Americans are not. They feel they are owed something, instead of trying to earn something. It lies in the fact that black communities are violent and drug infested. It comes from a blame everyone else for their problems mentality.

That's the root cause and you can stick your retort where the sun don't shine.

Agreed! I think you and I are more alike then we once thought. Thanks for saying what zaac is afraid to admit.

 

[righteousdude2]

Interesting that you would choose to use the term "minority community". Is that how you look at other people, as belonging to a different "community" than your own?

Feeling a little privileged are ya Crabby?

He has always felt this way Ponch. Just took this incident and false sense of victory for ctb to show his true colors.

 

[righteousdude2]

History shows blacks aren't concerned with much other than a violent culture. Explains their fascination with guns, gansta rap, gangs, drugs, and riots.

Don't forget, they need the right people in office to continue to give them money in order to remain in slavery to the government that is really oppressing them. It is not white and black. It is putting something, anything their hands, BUT just enough to barely keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. Then they can get cabin fever and all riled up at the right time in order to riot and blame it on anyone but themselves.

 

[padredurand]

So? Changes nothing.

How's that? Your white guilt has been screaming that white privilege is at the root of every ill suffered by man since the Mayflower. Two black men and one woman in a position of authority have acted in a heinous manner against a black man and you say it doesn't change a thing. It changes one thing: your thesis of white privilege.

Goodson is charged with one count of second-degree depraved-heart murder, involuntary manslaughter, second-degree assault, manslaughter by vehicle (gross negligence), manslaughter by vehicle (criminal negligence) and misconduct in office.

CNN legal analyst Sonny Hostin said the depraved-heart murder charge appeared to indicate the prosecutor believes Goodson was "one of the worst actors" in Gray's death.

"Depraved heart means he intentionally, willfully and deliberately acted with depraved indifference to human life," she said.

If that was a white cop acting that way against a black man we would hear your endless, empty rhetoric, blah, blah, blah. Here we have a black cop acting with depraved indifference toward another black man and you say it changes nothing. Balderdash! It makes your white privilege drum beat with an empty thud.

If Officer Goodson acted with depraved indifference toward Gray it had nothing to do with the color of either man's skin. It has everything to do with the condition of the heart. White, black or brown skin does not matter when it comes to matters of the human soul. You are either with Christ or without; reconciled to God or adversaries.

White men don't enslave because they are white. They do so because they are sinners. Black men don't loot stores and burn police cars because they are black men under white man's thumb. They do so because they are under Satan's curse.

 

[OldRegular]

It is obvious that many white folk do not want to address the root causes of the rage held in many black communities. This only ensures that this is going to happen again and again. Until those causes are corrected nothing good will happen.

The liberal government in Baltimore, which they have had for 60 years, has done the same for that city they did for Detroit. The liberals have for years worked to create a plantation mentality among some ethnic groups and economically depressed groups. They have been very successful in those urban area where there are large concentrations of these groups. Baltimore is a prime example. They have had a democrat mayor for the last 60 years. Their current female democrat mayor let the violent mobs have one night to break things without interference from police.

Frankly I believe there is something more sinister in the development of similar mobs in major cities. Some person or group of people is supplying money. Many who constitute these mobs come from other areas. In Ferguson many of those arrested came from as far away as California.

 

[righteousdude2]

The liberal government in Baltimore, which they have had for 60 years, has done the same for that city they did for Detroit.

They do have good baseball teams. :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Justified ?


Justified ?

 

[OldRegular]

A reminder and a warning:

This is something I have thought about a lot. Unless I am mistaken during the second of the LA riots some of the business owners from Korea defended themselves!

 

[righteousdude2]

The Dominant White Response to Baltimore Shows Why Black Residents are Justified in their Anger

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It's in the defense of that property - those CVS stores owned by faceless individuals and those police cars being bashed in - that we've seen the strongest response from the dominant element of society. Social media is a good indication, but certainly not the only one. There, on sites like Facebook and Twitter, folks have spoken up about Freddie Gray for the first time. They've not come to the defense of the oppressed. Rather, they've spoken up in condemnation of those "animals," "thugs," and "criminals" who are "destroying their own city."

It's some combination of historical illiteracy and racial animus that drives the response. The prevailing white view has been tragically non-curious from an intellectual perspective. Rather than asking what might cause a people to risk life and limb in an effort to smash to bits their own neighborhoods, we've responded with a stupid, incredulous look on our faces. "Look at them," we've said. "Burning down their own city." We understand that we would never do something like that - not even when our favorite hockey team failed to win Lord Stanley's Cup. But we fail to ask that critical next question - if these people, who are in so many ways like us, would do something that we wouldn't think of doing, what must the conditions be like to drive that behavior?

To put all of the blame on the lack of historical literacy of white folks in America would be letting too many off the hook. Even if they don't know about the history of red-lining, the effects of the drug war, and how Jim Crow has shape-shifted into the modern criminal justice apparatus, many of these people would be unmoved if their eyes would open. Simply put, for them, it's racial animus that drives the boat.

But white Americans, many by their own choosing, are painfully unaware of the historical context in which a mostly-black protest in Baltimore might take place. What are these people so mad about? we ask, as if the answers are too complicated to be discerned from one extended reading of anything by Ta-Nehisi Coates or Greg Howard.

As a white man, I'm in little position to pass judgment on the behavior of people so beaten down that they have little hope. I'm certainly not in a position to offer the tired white liberal tripe, asking black folks in places like Baltimore to sit quietly and trust the system, waiting for me and those like me to rescue them through legitimate democratic means. While rioting, looting, and lighting stuff on fire is certainly not a productive way to achieve equality and real civil rights, I won't lie to these people and tell them that by doing so, they're undermining progress that might have been made through legitimate protesting.

That's because I understand the unfortunate reality that powers this kind of destructive protesting. That is - these people are aware in a way I can never be aware, that whether they choose to jump on cars, sing Civil Rights hymns, hold signs, or stage peaceful letter writing campaigns to their local congressperson, the situation is going to stay mostly the same.

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...-Black-Residents-are-Justified-in-their-Anger

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[poncho]

YaY! Only six more pages to go.

 

[Rolfe]

YaY! Only six more pages to go.

...Until a Part II thread.

 

[righteousdude2]

...Until a Part II thread.

Are you volunteering to author that second round? :laugh:

 

[Gib]

 

[Scott J]

It is obvious that many white folk do not want to address the root causes of the rage held in many black communities. This only ensures that this is going to happen again and again. Until those causes are corrected nothing good will happen.

Sorry but NO.

EVERY individual is responsible for THEIR OWN CHOICES. We seldom control our circumstances or even the injustices done to us. The "root causes" may well occur because of the sins of someone but the reactions are SOLELY the result of immoral, "thuggish", and illegal activities by the people in question. It isn't the fault of white people or any other group.

By "address", people usually mean more money poured into gov't programs that have done far more to contribute to the problems than correct them. But your accusation is largely false. Many of us DO recognize and want to see the root causes addressed.

Start with illegitimacy and single-parent homes... that is something that MUST be addressed but people outside the black community have little power to "force" a change. Virtually every problem in the black sub-culture relates directly to the disintegration of the traditional family. This has gotten MUCH worse sense gov't began to step in during the 60's.... to "help".

Gangs, violence, and crime. Again, personal decisions to commit the crime and personal decisions about how to react from the victims and community at large.

Work ethic. Because the victim mentality has been so appealing to many in these oppressed neighborhoods, people have come to believe it is their right to be supported and even to "succeed" financially without hard work and sacrifice. For this reason, the hispanic communities are very quickly overtaking the black community not only in numbers but in economic status. Simply put, most Hispanics have a high sense of responsibility for their families AND a willingness and even hunger for work and opportunity.


There are many, many reasons these communities continue to struggle and few of them have anything to do with white people not spending enough money to fix someone else's problems for them.

 

[Revmitchell]

It is obvious that many white folk do not want to address the root causes of the rage held in many black communities.

Oh we do address the root causes. Its roots are found in the Democrat party telling them they are victims of the big bad white man. It comes from stirring up the uneducated with tales of someone else owes them their living. It comes from folks like Sharpton who make a nice living, while not paying his taxes, off of fear and resentment.

That is the root cause.

 

[Scott J]

Oh we do address the root causes. Its roots are found in the Democrat party telling them they are victims of the big bad white man. It comes from stirring up the uneducated with tales of someone else owes them their living. It comes from folks like Sharpton who make a nice living, while not paying his taxes, off of fear and resentment.

That is the root cause.

Nah Bro Mitchell, the roots are found in the wickedness of the natural, Christ-less man's soul. Is it reasonable for us to expect the ungodly to think godly? To act godly?

 

[Revmitchell]

Nah Bro Mitchell, the roots are found in the wickedness of the natural, Christ-less man's soul. Is it reasonable for us to expect the ungodly to think godly? To act godly?

This thread was dead and it needed to be. Let the deceased horse rest in peace.

 

[Eric B]

I'll address the root cause of the rage held in the black communities. It stems from the fact that the black communities are racist. They feel they are entitled to things that other hard working Americans are not. They feel they are owed something, instead of trying to earn something. It lies in the fact that black communities are violent and drug infested. It comes from a blame everyone else for their problems mentality.

History shows blacks aren't concerned with much other than a violent culture. Explains their fascination with guns, gansta rap, gangs, drugs, and riots.

Don't forget, they need the right people in office to continue to give them money in order to remain in slavery to the government that is really oppressing them. It is not white and black. It is putting something, anything their hands, BUT just enough to barely keep a roof over their heads and food on the table. Then they can get cabin fever and all riled up at the right time in order to riot and blame it on anyone but themselves.

This is the root of the problem from this side. You resent having "the race card" on you in a way that generalizes "racism" to all whites (and I would agree titles like the OP and Zaac's other thread are overly inflammatory and unfair), but then you continue holding these stereotypes of ALL blacks (including now throwing the term back at the WHOLE "community"!) Notice, no distinction is made between the people as a whole, and either the rioters, or "the angry" ones among them, "the poor in the ghetto", or especially kids (who are the main players the so-called "thug" culture and gangsta-rap, saggy pants, etc; it's not the older people who are doing all that stuff).

Yet, people keep making this blanket statement that "blacks just want free money and don't want to work [like WE do] and that's the WHOLE problem". This is what it always comes back to.
But how could you expect people to not be angry and suspicious of "racism" when you keep parroting stuff like this?
What I keep seeing is "we're totally innocent, and it's all THEM". It seems most here will speak favorably of the "Republican-led"] and MLKing, but a lot of this stuff (including statistical "fact" on crime/"violence", sexual looseness, etc) is exactly the same as what was used by those opposing progress back then.

Sorry but NO.

EVERY individual is responsible for THEIR OWN CHOICES. We seldom control our circumstances or even the injustices done to us. The "root causes" may well occur because of the sins of someone but the reactions are SOLELY the result of immoral, "thuggish", and illegal activities by the people in question. It isn't the fault of white people or any other group.

By "address", people usually mean more money poured into gov't programs that have done far more to contribute to the problems than correct them. But your accusation is largely false. Many of us DO recognize and want to see the root causes addressed.

Start with illegitimacy and single-parent homes... that is something that MUST be addressed but people outside the black community have little power to "force" a change. Virtually every problem in the black sub-culture relates directly to the disintegration of the traditional family. This has gotten MUCH worse sense gov't began to step in during the 60's.... to "help".

Gangs, violence, and crime. Again, personal decisions to commit the crime and personal decisions about how to react from the victims and community at large.

Work ethic. Because the victim mentality has been so appealing to many in these oppressed neighborhoods, people have come to believe it is their right to be supported and even to "succeed" financially without hard work and sacrifice. For this reason, the hispanic communities are very quickly overtaking the black community not only in numbers but in economic status. Simply put, most Hispanics have a high sense of responsibility for their families AND a willingness and even hunger for work and opportunity.

There are many, many reasons these communities continue to struggle and few of them have anything to do with white people not spending enough money to fix someone else's problems for them.

The problem here, is that people seem to want some sort of en-masse scolding, correcting, teaching, etc. of an entire "people". It's like you've caught a bad child doing something wrong, and aim to rehabilitate him, but that's ONE person. We're talking about millions of people, and to say "you just need to restore the family" is not going to do anything. You already have families working raising their children as best as they can. What do you expect them to do, (since it's the whole "community")?

Then, you have the angry people themselves, and as should be obvious, they're not going to listen to anything. (And not all of them are even trying to abuse the system. Many of the most angry, "revolutionary" types are so against the system, they don't trust it to help the community. The Nation of Islam and others, from the beginning, have been preaching self-improvement, self-reliance of the community, etc. but unfortunately, had taken an anti-white stance (in an almost "tit-for-tat" fashion), and sometimes violence, and this is what has influenced certain elements in the community (not the whole community itself), such as gangsta rap.
Yet because of the angry people and criminals, the entire community is seen as having no right to even protest police violence. The white NYC mayor was criticized just for warning his black son about the possibility of him falling victim. It's like he should accept getting shot because of what others in the "community" do, until someone in the community waves their hands and magically fixes everyone else!

(Still, what's always glossed over, but was mentioned in the OP, was the "riots" at sports games. So one group of people is seen as having no right to be so angry, but then we have the supposed "good" group [i.e. which the others always get measured by], rioting over anger at a more trivial event, if not just for fun).

Regarding "family"; even though "the traditional family" may have LOOKED all nice and ideal in the 50's and before; there was a lot of abuse and covered up sin (and I'm not talking about just the blacks, but the whites too. Remember, their kids rebelled too during that same time.
And don't forget, the Christians have long criticized "family values" dropping in the [white] culture at large. So how is this ending up getting tagged just on blacks now?)

Also, we need to think about constantly tossing this "victim" term at others, when the same ones doing it are complaining louder than anyone else about taxes, their country being "destroyed" or taken from them, losing "all their freedoms", etc. (yet most still have this "American dream". What's been taken from them is certain aspects of power. Yes, as one person said, the other side can increase their reaction as well, but it's not just their opponents' fault. There are very loud voices right in their own ranks screaming "victim!" "Stop them before they destroy us!" ⦅as well as "the hard truth is on our side"⦆. This surely is contributing to what we're seeing going on).