The doorway of Drugs to the spirit world

[evangelist6589]

Just like you can't assume that everyone that plays D&D is going to worship Satan or kill themselves.

The Bible does not forbid drinking in moderation.

He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate--bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread that sustains his heart. (Psalm 104:14-15, NIV)

Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for it is now that God favors what you do. (Ecclesiastes 9:7, NIV)

But it strongly condemns playing with the occult.

 

[Don]

But it strongly condemns playing with the occult.

So a game that encourages slaying evil monsters is occultic?

 

[PreachTony]

So a game that encourages slaying evil monsters is occultic?

Yeah, Don, we've been around that mountain already here: http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=95581

Our friend evangelist basically withdrew fellowship from his fellow BB members who have ever played D&D because we were playing with the occult. It got ugly, even after repeated attempts to prove to him the manner in which we played was not 'satanic.'




By the by, I know you were there... :smilewinkgrin:

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

The bible is quite clear on this one as it says "not given to too much wine" which indicated being. Drink is a sin but moderation is not.

the bible also says look not upon the wine when it is red and giveth a color (not word for word exact quote), it says is biteth like a serpent and stingeth like an adder.

Look not even upon it is a lot stronger than "moderation"

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

You still haven't answered how using opiates in a prescribed legal manner is safe from demonic attack while using opiates illegally gives access to demons. Can you address that please?

I addressed this and you avoided it.

There is a huge difference from seeking relief through medication, and seeking pleasure through drug highs.

The two prescribed manners also produce very different effects.

There is obviously a grey area in between the two.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

The Bible does not forbid drinking in moderation.

He makes grass grow for the cattle, and plants for man to cultivate--bringing forth food from the earth: wine that gladdens the heart of man, oil to make his face shine, and bread that sustains his heart. (Psalm 104:14-15, NIV)

Go, eat your food with gladness, and drink your wine with a joyful heart, for it is now that God favors what you do. (Ecclesiastes 9:7, NIV)

But it strongly condemns playing with the occult.

Wine does not always have to mean fermeneted.

back in the day grape juice was called Welches unfermented wine.

 

[matt wade]

I addressed this and you avoided it.

There is a huge difference from seeking relief through medication, and seeking pleasure through drug highs.

The two prescribed manners also produce very different effects.

There is obviously a grey area in between the two.

You gave an example of cough medicine earlier. Obviously you aren't making a fair comparison. A fair comparison would be someone prescribed Dilaudid. Those using Dilaudid, legally, often experience hallucinations and a detachment from reality. Would you say that this prescribed and legal use of drugs provides the same access to demons as illegal drug use does?

 

[evangelist6589]

the bible also says look not upon the wine when it is red and giveth a color (not word for word exact quote), it says is biteth like a serpent and stingeth like an adder.



Look not even upon it is a lot stronger than "moderation"

But wine is also encouraged in a number of passages.

 

[evangelist6589]

I addressed this and you avoided it.



There is a huge difference from seeking relief through medication, and seeking pleasure through drug highs.



The two prescribed manners also produce very different effects.



There is obviously a grey area in between the two.

I am confident that Lutzer when he wrote the book assume most of his readership would have common sense and be able to figure out that drugs taken because of medical issues and prevention is not the same as pleasure type drugs.

 

[evangelist6589]

Wine does not always have to mean fermeneted.



back in the day grape juice was called Welches unfermented wine.

But wine could lead to drunkedness in the Bible times. Just as today those that drink a mikes along with water and food will have a hard time getting drunk

 

[InTheLight]

I am confident that Lutzer when he wrote the book assume most of his readership would have common sense and be able to figure out that drugs taken because of medical issues and prevention is not the same as pleasure type drugs.

So are you saying that the attitude and motivation of the person taking the drugs determines whether or not taking it will be a gateway to the spirit world?

 

[Don]

I am confident that Lutzer when he wrote the book assume most of his readership would have common sense and be able to figure out that drugs taken because of medical issues and prevention is not the same as pleasure type drugs.

Ah, but drugs taken because of medical issues and prevention are abused just like pleasure-type drugs.

 

[Don]

So are you saying that the attitude and motivation of the person taking the drugs determines whether or not taking it will be a gateway to the spirit world?

Nice. :thumbs:

 

[JonC]

I am confident that Lutzer when he wrote the book assume most of his readership would have common sense and be able to figure out that drugs taken because of medical issues and prevention is not the same as pleasure type drugs.

Also what is wrong with drugs that help ones health? When was the last time you had a Root Canal? After I had mine I had to go to the drugstore to get some drugs. Play it your way and I could have gotten an infection.

Don't assume others have what you are lacking.

 

[evangelist6589]

Ah, but drugs taken because of medical issues and prevention are abused just like pleasure-type drugs.

Do I need to spell out everything for you? Just use common sense man.

 

[PreachTony]

I thought we were driving towards the idea that just using a drug that produces some sort of hallucinogenic effect was a potential opening of this metaphorical door. I doubt very seriously the side effects of medicine are different if you're taking the drug legally or illegally.

 

[Don]

Do I need to spell out everything for you? Just use common sense man.

Funny; that's what we're trying to get YOU to do.

 

[matt wade]

I thought we were driving towards the idea that just using a drug that produces some sort of hallucinogenic effect was a potential opening of this metaphorical door. I doubt very seriously the side effects of medicine are different if you're taking the drug legally or illegally.

I've been trying to drive to that point this whole thread and have been systematically ignored. Obviously it's evangelist6589's opinion that demons have some type of gentlemen's agreement to not mess with people utilizing drugs legally.

I wonder, does this apply to pot in Colorado? So a guy in Florida smoking pot can be influenced by demons, but the guy in Colorado is off limits?

 

[PreachTony]

Obviously it's evangelist6589's opinion that demons have some type of gentlemen's agreement to not mess with people utilizing drugs legally.

That is one of the funniest things I've read today. Thanks, brother. :thumbs:

 

[InTheLight]

Another mystery is if you hold to Total Depravity or Total Inability or whatever it's being called nowadays, you can't be any more spiritually dead than you already are, you don't seek God, and therefore why would demons need a person to be a hallucinating drug user to make it "easier" for them to possess a person?