Barry Johnson
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I.ll be impressed if a Calvinist actually offered context to a verse .
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The dreaded doctrine of election and perseverance.
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We always do, have you read any of our systematic Theologies, as they get very long winded!
The issue is cults and cult-like Christians use that term as a defense of doctrines they cannot legitimately defend.
Rather than engaging about different interpretations, perspectives, and theological conclusions they just jump to the end and play God by claiming there view is "the plain teachings".
From these people run. They do not grasp God's Word but rely on what can only be termed a "second special revelation".
Tell me about your theology. Tell me why you believe it. And then show me in the text of scripture that belief. If it is not in the text then explain how it was derived from the text.
But only a fool sees his or her understanding of scripture as scripture itself because that is not only elevating one's self in the place of God but it is demeaning God's Word.
@Yeshua1,.
Sorry, I was not directing the last post to anyone in particular.
I was saying it is foolish to use terms like "the plain teaching of Scripture" as we test doctrine against "what is written" NOT against what is written means to us.
I did not realize you had used the term (I am sure it was in a different context rather than an argument or defense).
Sorry, I was not directing the last post to anyone in particular.
I was saying it is foolish to use terms like "the plain teaching of Scripture" as we test doctrine against "what is written" NOT against what is written means to us.
I did not realize you had used the term (I am sure it was in a different context rather than an argument or defense).
I wish none did. But I believe many do.
Barry Johnson
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Yes very long winded.
Dave G
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I'd be glad to show you how I arrive at the context, line by line and verse by verse, of those who come to Christ in John 6:37-70,
or why people do not believe God's words per John 8:43-47, or any other passage that you might have a question on, Barry.
Respectfully,
I wouldn't do it to be impressed by you, but because you want to see if a "Calvinist" could offer context to a verse...
And because I want to see if doing so would be helpful to you in some small way.
If you like, you can even pick the passage and I'll do my best to answer it from my own understanding.
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How so, as it is the Lord Himself who is at work in and thru us to see that we will be there in the end?
That is why they are considered to be "deep theology"
That is why we are commanded to be able to "rightly divide the truth" pf the scriptures!
Barry Johnson
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Deep, clever philosophical reasons as to why the bible is not true maybe .
Just was using that phrase in the sense that many times, cults will ignore the plain teaching and plain meanings to get inserted in their own peculiar founders doctrines!
I do not see Spurgeon, Hodge, Berkhof, Bavinick et all as saying that the Bible is not true!
Think that only ones that I have ran into are into word of faith the ilk, as they hold to modern day Apostles and prophets!
Barry Johnson
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Of course . I'm saying if you could step back you would see that's what it really is .
Barry Johnson
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Regeneration precedes faith is as peculiar as any other we find within other worldviews. All the difference is really down to how well established the idea has imbedded its way into christianity over the centuries that no one flinches at it anymore .
You would be surprised.
I recall an old post where a member was offended to see another daring to question the words of John Gill because he was given to us by God and to question Gill was to question God.
That member is still here, and active.
It depends on what you belueve to be the "plain teachings" of scripture.
Can you take a highlighter and highlight the words you are upholding as scripture?
That will answer any question.
Gill was a hyper Calvinist.....
Yes. To rightly divide truth using Scripture as that measure (not subjecting scripture to what we believe is true).
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