the easy answer to which bible is the real one

[Jordan Kurecki]

So you have proved you know absolutely nothing about Hebrew, and post a bunch of ignorant KJVO nonsense to "prove" it! LOL!

3. Show grace to the other posters. When someone disagrees with you, discuss it; but be slow to offend, and eager to get into the Word and find the answers. Remember, when discussing passionate issues, it is easy to go too far and offend. Further, if we are "earnestly contending for the faith" it would be unrealistic not to expect at times to be misunderstood or even ridiculed. But please note that your words can sometimes be harsh if used in the wrong way. The anger of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

I don't think this post follows this rule

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

Tom Strouse (correct spelling) holds to an idiotic belief in geocentricity (the earth is the center of the solar system). You are really going to use that guy as your "proof?"

4. Personal attacks will not be tolerated. The board has an edit button enabled. We encourage you to use it and edit your own words. Moderators and Administrators will be visibly proactive in dealing with potentially offensive situations. Posts of a violent or threatening nature, either implicitly or explicitly, will be deleted, and the poster's membership revoked. We encourage personal problems with other members be resolved privately via email or personal messaging.

I find your personal attack on Dr. Strouse offensive and personal attack against him.
It's one thing if you disagree with his geocentricity, it's another thing to call him an idiot

 

[TCassidy]

It's one thing if you disagree with his geocentricity, it's another thing to call him an idiot

So you do not believe geocentricity is idiotic?

 

[TCassidy]

You are avoiding dealing with the actual substance of his argument.

I have dealt with it. He is wrong. Period.

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

I have dealt with it. He is wrong. Period.

You absolutely did not deal with it, you dismissed it by calling him an idiot. You did absolutely nothing to answer his examples of gender dissonance being used in the Old Testament. I really hope people are noticing how you seem to be cowering away from dealing with the actual substance of his arguments.

 

[TCassidy]

You did absolutely nothing to answer his examples of gender dissonance being used in the Old Testament.

You haven't posted one word about gender discordance. I even asked you how many semesters of Hebrew you have taken at the graduate level and so far you have not answered. Strouse is a well known KJVO who will twist virtually anything to "prove" his KJVOism. And maybe you didn't notice but he is not here, and as you refuse to tell us how much Hebrew you know, it would be meaningless to outline where he is wrong and why, so, when you can demonstrate sufficient knowledge of Hebrew to understand the proper exegesis I will respond. Until then, just keep blah blah blahing away!

 

[TCassidy]

What the person you were cutting and pasting from fails to understand is that his examples are examples of what is called “gender parallelism,” where masculine and feminine are put in parallel with each other in two adjacent colons.

In Psalm 12 we have consistent uses of two feminine or two masculine nouns in the colons that are adjacent. We also have masculine plural nouns in 5a and a masculine singular noun in 5c, which is exactly parallel to what we have in 7a (masculine plural) and 7b (Masculine singular).

Now, Jordan, do you understand that?

 

[Kevin]

For the most part I could care less how many letter you guys have after your names, but in this case they seem to be real useful. I have been in the KJVO cult, and it isn't good... Let them have it

 

[TCassidy]

Jordan, you still have not responded regarding the marginal note in the 1611 edition of the AV. Do you think the original 1611 KJV is wrong?

 

[Jordan Kurecki]

What the person you were cutting and pasting from fails to understand is that his examples are examples of what is called “gender parallelism,” where masculine and feminine are put in parallel with each other in two adjacent colons.

In Psalm 12 we have consistent uses of two feminine or two masculine nouns in the colons that are adjacent. We also have masculine plural nouns in 5a and a masculine singular noun in 5c, which is exactly parallel to what we have in 7a (masculine plural) and 7b (Masculine singular).

Now, Jordan, do you understand that?

No I do not understand, I will be seeking a response from Dr. Strouse, and will post it when I get a reply from him.

 

[TCassidy]

Don't bother. If you can't discuss the issue, and refuse to respond to the picture of the 1611 note I posted that proves the 1611 translators translated it to mean the "poor" and "needy" of verse 5 then there is no way to convince you until you spend 7 or 8 years learning Hebrew.

 

[SovereignGrace]

What about those who died pre-1611? Since the KJV is the only uncorrupted version, I guess those pre-1611'ers are doomed. SMH

 

[Internet Theologian]

3. Show grace to the other posters. When someone disagrees with you, discuss it; but be slow to offend, and eager to get into the Word and find the answers. Remember, when discussing passionate issues, it is easy to go too far and offend. Further, if we are "earnestly contending for the faith" it would be unrealistic not to expect at times to be misunderstood or even ridiculed. But please note that your words can sometimes be harsh if used in the wrong way. The anger of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

I don't think this post follows this rule

So, whenever he shows you the absurdities of your arguments, and of their source, it is breaking the rules? I trow not!

 

[Salty]

Jordan, you still have not responded regarding the marginal note in the 1611 edition of the AV. Do you think the original 1611 KJV is wrong?View attachment 526

(Note: Quoted post show picture of a KJV 1611 page)
Have no ideal - too hard to read

 

[TCassidy]

(Note: Quoted post show picture of a KJV 1611 page)
Have no ideal - too hard to read

You can't read "Heb him i every one of them"? Why not?

 

[Rginald Woodbridge]

So much error, so little time to correct it all.
The Universities of Oxford and Cambridge, both of which had license to print King James Version bibles in England, sought to produce an updated standard text. First of the two was the Cambridge edition of 1760, the culmination of twenty-years work by Francis Sawyer Parris. This 1760 edition was reprinted without change in 1762 and in John Baskerville's folio edition of 1763. This was effectively superseded by the 1769 Oxford edition, edited by Benjamin Blayney, though with comparatively few changes from Parris's edition; but which became the Oxford standard text, and is reproduced almost unchanged in most current printings.

The Protestant Reformation occurred from 1517 when Martin Luther nailed the 99 Theses on the door of All Saints' Church (Schlosskirche) in Wittenberg through 1535 when Henry VIII "divorced" the Church of England from the Church of Rome. England, and most of northern Europe, had been Protestant since around 1550. The KJV didn't come along until 1611.

5 Man? Uh, try 50 man! ....yes you present the Catholic historical line very well..Boyh Cambridge and Oxford use The Michelamas method/programmes.....and England was not protestant till after 1600 after the K.J.V....WHICH GAVE THE COMMON PEOPLE AXCESS TO THE WORD OF GOD.....So you can bombarde this site with your deception...you will answer to God as I will.........But thats exactly what it is.....Lies of deception.......its people like you that stop truth availing...SO ANSWER ME ..CAN PRACTICING CATHOLICS BE SAVED...

Old Testament Company.

The Right Rev. Edward Harold Brown, D. D., Bishop of Winchester (Chairman), Farnham Castle, Surrey.
The Right Rev. Lord Athur Charles Hervey, D. D., Bishop of Bath and Wells, Palace, Wells, Somerset.
The Right Rev. Alfred Ollivant, D. D., Bishop of Llandaff, Bishop's Court, Llandaff.
The Very Rev. Robert Payne Smith, D. D., Dean of Canterbury, Deanery, Canterbury.
The Ven. Benjamin Harrison, M. A., Archdeacon of Maidstone, Canon of Canterbury, Canterbury.
The Rev. William Lindsay Alexander, D. D., Professor of Theology, Congregational Church Hall, Edinburgh.
Robert L. Bensly, Esq., Fellow and Hebrew Lecturer, Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge.
The Rev. John Birrell, Professor of Oriental Languages, St. Andrew's, Scotland.
Frank Chance, Esq., M. D., Burleigh House, Sydenham Hill, London.
Thomas Chenery, Esq., Reform Club, London, S. W.
The Rev. T. K. Cheyne, Fellow and Hebrew Lecturer, Balliol College, Oxford.
The Rev. A. B. Davidson, D. D., Professor of Hebrew, Free Church College, Edinburgh.
The Rev. George Douglas, D. D., Professor of Hebrew and Principal of Free Church College, Glasgow.
S. R. Driver, esq., Tutor of New College, Oxford.
The Rev. C. J. Elliott, Win-kfield Vicarage, Windsor.
The Rev. Frederick Field, D. D., Carlton Terrace, Heigham, Norwich.
The Rev. John Dury Geden, Professor of Hebrew, Wesleyan College, Didsbury, Manchester.
The Rev. Christian D. Ginsburg, LL.D., Workingham, Berks.
The Rev. Frederick William Gotch, D. D., Principal of the Baptist College, Bristol.
The Rev. William Kay, D. D., Great Leghs' Rectory, Chelmsford.
The Rev. Stanley Leathes, D. D., Professor of Hebrew, King's College, London.
The Rev. Professor J. R. Lumby, D. D., Fellow of St. Catharine's College, Cambridge.
The Very Rev. John James Stewart Perowne, D. D., Dean of Peterborough, Deanery, Peterborough.
The Rev. A. H. Sayce, Fellow and Tutor of Queen's College, Oxford.
The Rev. William Robertson Smith, Professor of Hebrew, Free Church College, Aberdeen.
William Wright, LL. D., Professor of Arabic, Cambridge.
William Aldis Wright Esq. (Secretary), Bursar of Trinity College, Cambridge.

New Testament Company.

The Right Rev. Charles John Ellicott, D. D., Bishop of Gloucester and Bristol (Chairman), Palace, Gloucester.
The Right Rev. George Moberly, D. C. L., Bishop of Salisbury, Palace, Salisbury.
The Very Rev. Edward Henry Bickersteth, D. D., Prolocutor, Dean of Lichfield, Deanery, Lichfield.
The Very Rev. Arthur Penrhyn Stanley, D. D., Dean of Westminster, Deanery, Westminster.
The Very Rev. Robert Scott, D. D., Dean of Rochester, Deanery, Rochester.
The Very Rev. Joseph Williams Blakesley, B. D., Dean of Lincoln, Deanery, Lincoln.
The Most Rev. Richard Chenevix Trench, D. D., Archbishop of Dublin, Palace, Dublin.
The Right Rev. Joseph Lightfoot, D. D., LL.D., Bishop of Durham.
The Right Rev. Charles Wordsworth, D. C. L., Bishop of St. Andrew's, Bishopshall, St. Andrew's.
The Rev. Joseph Angus, D. D., President of the Baptist College, Regent's Park, London.
The Rev. David Brown, D. D., Principal of the Free Church College, Aberdeen.
The Rev. Fenton John Anthony Hort, D. D., Fellow of Emmanual College, Cambridge.
The Rev. William Gilson Humphry, Vicarage, St. Martin's-in-the-Fields, London, W. C.
The Rev. Benjamin Hall Kennedy, D. D., Canon of Ely and Regius Professor of Greek, The Elms, Cambridge.
The Ven. William Lee, D. D., Archdeacon of Dublin, Dublin.
The Rev. William Milligan, D. D., Professor of Divinity and Biblical Criticism, Aberdeen.
The Rev. William F. Moulton, D. D., Master of the Leys School, Cambridge.
The Rev. Samuel Newth, D. D., Principal of New College, Hampstead, London.
The Ven. Edwin Palmer, D. D., Archdeacon of Oxford, Christ Church, Oxford.
The Rev. Alexander Roberts, D. D., Professor of Humanity, St. Andrew's.
The Rev. Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener, LL.D., Prebendary, Hendon Vicarage, London, N. W.
The Rev. George Vance. Smith, D. D., Parade, Carmarthen.
The Rev. Charles John Vaughan, D. D., Master of the Temple, The Temple, London, E. C.
The Rev. Brooke Foss Westcott, D. D., Canon of Peterborough and Regius Professor of Divinity, Trinity College, Cambridge.
The Rev. J. Troutbeck (Secretary), Dean's Yard, Westminster.

 

[Rginald Woodbridge]

You do.

I have both and Oxford 1769 (my primary preaching bible) and a Cambridge 1873 (my primary study bible when studying the KJV - but I usually use the NKJV for daily reading and study).

well with over 100thousand word alterations..so subtle you would hardly see it...you make the Tri-quetta society proud...but do you remember when the funny little loge was on the front before they removed it about 12 years ago..it was three interwoven sixes..has anyone out there got a N.K.J.V.with that logo on front.....but alas for seekers of truth...the triqutta society of womens freemasons which produced that bible did it all ..and then sold copyrite...for a song to present day holders.of it..but you will rejoice that all that is hidden my devious one......

 

[TCassidy]

Tri-quetta society

No such society. You can't just make this stuff up as you go along.

funny little loge

What is a "loge?"

three interwoven sixes

Uh, that is a ancient symbol for the Trinity. I guess, as you don't like it, you deny the Trinity?

womens freemasons which produced that bible

Uh, well, no. The NKJV is and always was published by Thomas Nelson Publishers ~ Nelson Place at Elm Hill Pike ~ PO Box 141000 ~ Nashville, TN 37214-1000.

And it was not translated by "womens freemasons" (LOL! ROFLOL! - I am sorry, that is just so ridiculous it has to be a joke. Nobody is dumb enough to believe that nonsense!

In fact it was translated by these people:

Dr. Ronald B. Allen ~ Professor, Old Testament Language and Exegesis
Western Conservative Baptist Seminary ~ Portland, Oregon

Dr. Barry J. Beitzel ~ Associate Professor of Old Testament and Semitic Languages
Trinity Evangelical Divinity School ~ Deerfield, Illinois

Dr. Walter R. Bodine ~ Associate Professor of Semitic Languages and Old Testament
Dallas Theological Seminary ~ Dallas, Texas

Dr. Newton L. Bush ~ Editor, Minister
Bethel Christian Union Chapel ~ Elida, Ohio

Rev. E. Clark Copeland ~ Professor of Old Testament
Reformed Presbyterian Theological Seminary ~ Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania

Dr. Leonard J. Coppes ~ Minister
Calvary Orthodox Presbyterian Church ~ Harrisville, Pennsylvania

Dr. Arthur L. Farstad ~ New Testament Editor
Dallas, Texas

Dr. Harvey E. Finley ~ Professor of Old Testament
Nazarene Theological Seminar ~ Kansas City, Missouri

Dr. D. David Garland ~ Professor of Old Testament and Hebrew
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary ~ Fort Worth, Texas

Dr. Paul R. Gilchrist ~ Professor of Biblical Studies
Covenant College ~ Lookout Mountain, Tennessee

Dr. Louis Goldberg ~ Professor of Theology and Jewish Studies
Moody Bible Institute ~ Chicago, Illinois

Rev. Geoffrey Watts Grogan ~ Principal
Bible Training Institute ~ Glasgow, Scotland

Dr. Victor Paul Kamilton ~ Associate Professor of Religion
Asbury College ~ Wilmore, Kentucky

Dr. Allan M. Harman ~ Professor of Old Testament
Reformed Theological College ~ Victoria, Australia

Dr. Edward E. Hindson ~ Professor of Religion
Liberty Baptist College ~ Lynchburg, Virginia

Dr. Horace D. Hummel ~ Associate Professor of Old Testament
Concordia Seminary ~ St. Louis, Missouri

Dr. David K. Huttar ~ Professor of Old Testament and Greek
Nyack College ~ Nyack, New York

Dr. Meredith C. Kline ~ Professor of Old Testament
Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary ~ South Hamilton, Massachusetts

Dr. Donald A. Leggett ~ Professor of Old Testament
Ontario Theological Seminary ~ Willowdale, Ontario, Canada

Dr. Elmer A. Martens ~ President, Professor of Old Testament
Mennonite Brethren Biblical Seminary ~ Fresno, California

Rev. William H. McDowell ~ Professor of Philosophy and Religion
Florida Southern College ~ Orlando, Florida

Dr. Eugene H. Merrill ~ Associate Professor of Semantics and Old Testament Studies
Dallas Theological Seminary ~ Dallas, Texas

Dr. Gerald I. Miller ~ Chairman, Division of Foreign Language
Asbury College ~ Wilmore, Kentucky

Dr. Richard 0. Rigsby ~ Associate Professor of Semitic Languages and Old Testament
Talbot Theological Seminary ~ La Mirada, California

Dr. Allen P. Ross ~ Professor of Old Testament
Dallas Theological Seminary ~ Dallas, Texas

Dr. Glenn E. Schaefer ~ Chairman, Department of Bible, Theology and Mission
Simpson College ~ San Francisco, California

Dr. Gary V. Smith ~ Dean
Winnipeg Theological Seminary ~ Otterburne, Manitoba, Canada

Rev. Arthur Steltzer ~ Pastor/ Teacher
Emmanuel Orthodox Presbyterian Church ~ Wilmington, Delaware

Dr. William A. VanGemeren ~ Professor of Old Testament
Reformed Theological Seminary ~ Jackson, Mississippi

Dr. William White, Jr. ~ Writer, Editor
Warrington, Pennsylvania

NKJV Scholars-New Testament

The following scholars individually revised one or more books of the New Testament. The schools and positions are those of the period when the NKJV was being produced.

Dr. Boyce Blackwelder ~ (Deceased)
Anderson College ~ Anderson, Indiana

Dr. E. M. Blaiklock ~ Professor Emeritus of Classics
University of Auckland ~ Titirangi, Auckland, New Zealand

Dr. James L. Boyer ~ Professor Emeritus of New Testament and Greek
Grace Theological Seminary Winona Lake, Indiana

Dr. John A. Burns ~ Academic Dean
Luther Rice Seminary ~ Jacksonville, Florida

William J. Cameron ~ Principal Emeritus
Free Church of Scotland College ~ Edinburgh, Scotland

Dr. A. Glenn Campbell ~ Professor Emeritus of New Testament, Greek, and Theology
Montana Institute of the Bible ~ Ottawa, Kansas

Dr. Gary C. Cohen ~ Lecturer
Miami Christian College ~ Miami, Florida

Dr. Huber L. Drumwright ~ (Deceased)
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary ~ Fort Worth, Texas

Dr. William K. Eichhorst ~ President of Academic Affairs
Winnipeg Bible College and Theological Seminary ~ Otterburne, Manitoba, Canada

Dr. Virtus E. Gideon ~ Professor of New Testament and Greek
Southwestern Baptist Theological Seminary ~ Fort Worth, Texas

Dr. Robert L. Hendren ~ Minister
Donelson Church of Christ ~ Nashville, Tennessee

Dr. Robert G. Hoerber ~ Professor of Exegetical Theology
Concordia Seminary ~ St. Louis, Missouri

Dr. Ronald Jones ~ Associate Professor
Victory Tabernacle Baptist Church ~ Norfolk, Virginia

Dr. Charles R. Smith ~ Professor of Christian Theology and Greek
Grace Theological Seminary ~ Winona Lake, Indiana

Dr. John A. Sproule ~ Associate Professor of New Testament and Greek
Grace Theological Seminary ~ Winona Lake, Indiana

Dr. Harry A. Sturz ~ Professor Emeritus of Greek
Biola College ~ La Mirada, California

Dr. Joseph S. Wang ~ Professor of New Testament
Asbury Theological Seminary ~ Wilmore, Kentucky

Dr. Phillip R. Williams ~ Registrar, Professor of New Testament
Northwest Baptist Seminary ~ Tacoma, Washington

Dr. A. Skevington Wood ~ Principal
Cliff College ~ Calver, Sheffield, England

Dr. Arthur L. Farstad ~ New Testament Editor
Dallas, Texas

Dr. Lewis A. Foster ~ Professor of New Testament
Cincinnati Seminary Cincinnati, Ohio

my devious one

You have been warned twice. This is the last warning. You call me, or any other poster on this forum, a vile name again you will be banned. When you are here you will conduct yourself as a Christian or you will be gone.

 

[TCassidy]

Please learn to use the quote function properly.

 

[Rolfe]

This thread gets more entertaining every time I check it.