"The End of the Spear"

It's hard for them to see their error when they have their fingers in theirs ears screaming, "I'M RIGHT I'M RIGHT I'M RIGHT!" </font>[/QUOTE]It's hard for you to be anything but the devils advocate on every topic.

 

To date, the only person who has made that claim is you, and you have not seen it.

I suspect that if I were to see it, and could testify to there being no nudity, you'd tell me I was wrong.

Heck, you don't even acknowlege the possibility that you might be in error. You're firmly sticking to your claim that there is nudity, despite your lack of firsthand knowlege, and in light of the numerous people who have seen it and said no such nudity exists. And you don't see how this damages your credibility?

 

I havn't seen the movie nor will I. The most on this board would have no problem with this movie or any other movie. **remark removed***What does that tell you? R.G.Lee said one time that he didn't think 25% of Baptists were saved. According to what some people write on this board he might have been high with his estimation.

[ January 25, 2006, 10:06 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

And that is your right, and I support your conviction 100%.

Incorrect. Most on this board will refuse to see a movie they find objectionable. However, many will refrain from forbidding others from seeing it, or thinking less of another person's faith if they choose to see it. (It doesn't matter what movie we're talking about here.)
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Great.

Don't worry,

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[ January 25, 2006, 10:08 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

Funny,

Diggin in da Word said there is nudity.
Bunyan said there is nudity.
guitar preacher said that there was no nudity. But then said there was, but it was a 9 year old girl who was just budding.

And they say they have seen it.

Also, let's say the movie 'Cheaper By The Dozen had had a 9 year old girl in it running around nude. It would be called porn. What makes 'End of the Spear' any different?

 

They did? I just read al the posts, and the only nudity referred to is children playing in the water, and one brief 9yo. None of which was remotely sexual or inappropriate in context.

You had earlier inferred adult female nudity. There is none.

Not if it was in proper context, for example, a bunch of kids in the bathtub or something of that nature. There is nothing anywhere to suggest that the "nudity" oon this movie is inappropriate at all.

Only a pervert with a dirty mind would make an issue of this.

 

Is there not the slightest chance that the nude child would cause some to stumble? After all, there are pedophiles in the world. Scenes like that feed those spirits. And yes, there are some even in the churches, recent news proves that.

These were not in a bathdub from what I hear. True, some were swimming and the dark hid them somewhat, but they were nude just the same.

Refer to the 16 instances in Leviticus that say, 'Thou shalt not uncover...'

I am sure since God clothed Adam and Eve, and since the book of Leviticus speaks against uncovering another's nudity no less than 16 times, God would make an issue of it as well.

There is also the part in the film where the Waodani woman looks into Steve's pants to see that he is a boy. You don't think that is dirty? It is uncovering someone's nakedness.

As to the adult nudity, I did not say the adults were totally nude, I said partial nudity. Again, many who have seen the movie have attested to this.

Also, in the movie, the Waodani men wear nothing but loincloths in many scenes. That can cause a homosexual and/or women to lust as well.

Of course, to the liberals, there is no problem at all.

 

There's no reasonably chance that, in proper context, this would cause a person to stumble.

There are gluttons, too. In fact, gluttony in Americcan churches is quite common, but there aren't alot of protests against films which show food.

It is in the proper context of the story presented.

As soon as I give up eating pork, and refrain from sitting in a chair that a menstruating woman has sat in, I'll do just that.

Doubtful. God consistently makes an issue of covering up of nakedness for the purpose of protecting from shame or vulnerability. In fact, Isaiah was quite naked when he preached, and it was no shame.

On a sidenote, Job commented that we're born naked and return naked.


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No one here has attested to partial adult nudity.

Oh, you've got to be kidding. I can't think of a more ridiculous attempt to justify a position.

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[ January 25, 2006, 10:14 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

Oh now, SFC is unrighteous? And raving, too. As well as being a legalist and a pervert with a dirty mind. Well, maybe a moderator needs to come in here and close down this thread and delete some of these inflammatory posts! Why resort to namecalling and inuendoes? Is that Christ like? And what happened to giving this a rest? I'm ashamed to be a Baptist right now.

 

You have no problem when others are called liberals, likewarm, worldly and compromisers. But now you step in. Interesting.

I guess it's only Christ like when those against the movie do such things.

Indeed, I have no problem with this thread being closed. No fruit is produced, and I have asked that we let this go on numeous occiasions with no heed.

It was never heeded. But I guess that's my fault as well

As am I. Baptists have a history of permitting individual and autonomous liberty in matters of faith and practice. But that is completely absent on this topic.

 

sure, LE, all who stand firm on the doctrine once and for all delivered to the saints are unrighteous. We live in a world where we must go with the flow, even though the Word says be not conformed to this world.

It is ok though, Sister. The Bible says, 'Yea, and all that will live Godly and in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution.'

I say, let 'em bring it on. My Lord knows my heart and He will give me strength in times of trial.

 

Then back out of the thread, johnv. No one is twisting your arm for you to post on it.

 

You're the one who's complaining, so why don't you back out? Your post comes off as quite bullying towards those who disagree with you. A rather infantile fashion, as well.

No, just those who make silly comments and accuse those of not agreeing with them as liberals are unrighteous.

I have sufferred plenty of persecution. You'd never apply that towards me, however.

And sometimes, the Lord will let you be admonished by the brethren. I think your last comments were over the top, even for you.

 

Would everyone who has endorsed the EOS been just as positive had it stared Ellen Degeneres as a christian missionary?

 

Berean, they probably would. No problem with Chad Allen playing a missionary, why not a lesbian as well?

It is sad that America has turned its back on the Godly principles set forth in the Word of God to satisfy their own lusts and fleshly desires.

 

***Inappropriate comment removed*** Ignore Shiloh passing judgement that only God can pass telling us we are unsaved heathens. Ignore Boanerges obvious vield slam on me. But when someone goes after someone in your camp you start crying foul. ***Insult removed***

[ January 25, 2006, 10:18 PM: Message edited by: blackbird ]

 

Someone needs to know what words mean before they start throwing them around. And personal attacks such as calling me a hypocrite are against the board rules which you will find out sooner or later, SN. Meanwhile, your post is reported.

 

LadyEagle,

Matthew 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
Matthew 5:12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great [is] your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Having done all, Stand, my Sister. Don't give up the fight!

Ron

 

This is the first time I have ever felt embarrassed about my "conservative Brethren". I am proudly conservative, but this really makes conservatism look bad. We might as well just hand everything over to the liberals, because we won't ever be able to get any of them to listen to us if we act like this over a Movie like "The End of The Spear". Too bad they choose Chad to star, a very bad choice, but the movie is outstanding.

 

Then back out of the thread, johnv. No one is twisting your arm for you to post on it. </font>[/QUOTE]I have no problem closing this thread either. It has run it's full gamut of almost 20 pages of plenty of insults, which to my dismay have not been a very good testimony to the Christian Community at large.
DHK