JESUS said it, not I !
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The Equality of Jesus to The Father
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Jesus did not mean that he is not fully God!
SavedByGrace
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ONLY during His time on earth. Read John 17:5; Philippians 2:5-11; Hebrews 2:7-9.
SavedByGrace
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what Jesus said you have misunderstood!
SavedByGrace
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that is what "One Being" means
He is the Spirit of God
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Is the Father, Spirit the God?
Jesus the Christ (Anointed). Does the anointed imply by oneself or by another?
Heb 5:5,6 so also the Christ did not glorify himself to become chief priest, but He who spake unto him: 'My Son thou art, I to-day have begotten thee;' as also in another place He saith, 'Thou art a priest -- to the age, according to the order of Melchisedek;'
Relative to God. If the Christ (anointed) glorified not himself by whom was he glorified to become high priest?
What does glorified even mean, of what was he glorified with? What is, the order, of Melchisedek?
Of what order will we be, as priest of God?
Jesus the Christ (Anointed). Does the anointed imply by oneself or by another?
Heb 5:5,6 so also the Christ did not glorify himself to become chief priest, but He who spake unto him: 'My Son thou art, I to-day have begotten thee;' as also in another place He saith, 'Thou art a priest -- to the age, according to the order of Melchisedek;'
Relative to God. If the Christ (anointed) glorified not himself by whom was he glorified to become high priest?
What does glorified even mean, of what was he glorified with? What is, the order, of Melchisedek?
Of what order will we be, as priest of God?
SavedByGrace
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Your point being?
I always considered my father greater than I. The older I got, the smarter he got! And he was fully a Roby, same as I'm fully a Roby.
What is there to misunderstand about "My Father is greater than I" ? It couldn't be any more straightforward !
SavedByGrace
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You ignore John 5.23. Explain what Jesus meant here
The Father anoints the Son and the Father glorifies the Son and I will let others decide whether that implies greater than or not.
I believe the Word God became flesh John 1:14 through being given birth as the Son of God anointed with the spirit of God. Matt 1:20-25 Luke 1:32 The spirit of the Son returned to the hands of the Father and the Son of God died Luke 23:46 and was dead for three days and three nights and then on that third day was told, "Thou art my Son this day have I begotten thee." Heb 5:5 On that day the Son Christ was quickened by Spirit the God. and received from the Father the Promise of the Holy Spirit 1 Peter 3:18 Acts 2:32.33
I believe both the Father and the Son are God and are Holy and the Holy Spirit comes from God.
That's my point.
SavedByGrace
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Do you believe that Jesus Christ is YHWH?
And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Matt 1:21
And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. Luke 1:31
I can not say my understanding would or would not be correct. I would say yes in that my understanding is JESUS is a
derivative of YHWH.
I might also add I believe the Father is YHWH
Ps 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
Is The LORD, God the Father or JESUS the Son? Who is the second Lord spoken of? Methinks JESUS the Son who was David's seed yet also his Lord who was raised out of the dead. 2 Tim 2:8 Remember Jesus Christ, raised out of the dead, of the seed of David, according to my good news,
SavedByGrace
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So you think that Jesus is not fully YHWH as the Father is? Sort of a demi god?
I would say Jesus is fully God. I am not sure whether that means he is or isn't fully YHWH.
Would you say that the Father is or is not YHWH? Or fully YHWH?
SavedByGrace
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The Bible, which is the Highest Authority as God's Word, is very clear that The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are 100% fully YHWH
Pretty self-explanatory. Being God's Son, Jesus is Himself also God & thus anyone not honoring Him isn't honoring His Father, either.
Now, something we cannot do is to fully understand God's nature, & how Father, Son, & Holy Spirit can be distinct Personages, but also be the one and only God.
SavedByGrace
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The fact that Jesus demands equal honor to the Father, can only mean that He is indeed equal to the Father as God, and not subordinate.
Contrived.
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