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So grace is not ultimately resisted, meaning man chooses to accept God's grace. But you guys say man has absolutely no input in the process. Yet if something ultimately does not resist, that means it has to give in. If you want to couch this argument as God's grace having to break through man's stubborn will, then you have weakened God. Otherwise, you admit that man must inevitably choose to accept the grace offered.

Or, you can go back to the definition that DHK, myself, and every other non-
Calvinist I know relies on, which is that God forces His grace upon the Elect, seeing as the fully monergistic position cannot allow man to accept God.

 

He's dead on guys. Either it is irresistible or it is not. Saying "ultimately" is giving man a choice.

 

That makes no sense at all. The point is Icon looked to millions believing on Calvinism as proof it is correct.

One could make the argument Calvinism is a cult, seeing how often they preach Calvinism is the Gospel, believe it or you cannot be saved.

 

Here is the point. Go back into the history of Calvin.
All who did not follow the precepts, the laws, and adhere to principles of Calvin were damned. (This is the definition of a cult).
All who do not follow Joseph Smith and his teachings are damned.
All who do not follow Charles Taze Russell and his teachings are damned.

Now who is in the wrong boat?

If you were really consistent:
You would accept the baptismal regeneration that Calvin taught,
the infant baptism that Calvin taught,
The acceptance of magisterial baptism only that he taught,
the acceptance of a baptism from an unsaved pagan as from God (He was baptized by a Catholic priest and never saw the need to be re-baptized, nor anyone else to be rebaptized if they were baptized by an unsaved Catholic who knew nothing of salvation).
That the baptism of John and the baptism of Christ were the same baptism.
That baptism takes the place of circumcision (cruel for women)

If you are truly a follower of Calvin why not take it all the way?

 

PreachTony

This saving grace is always effectual....or the sheep would not be saved.

No....Unsaved men mostly do not even understand theological terms in a biblical way for the most part.

I offered you the confession of faith for a reason awhile back.....it attempts to detail exactly why this grace is effectual....The godly men were very careful when they worded the document


In post 261 I highlighted how the confession describes it...I will repeat it for you now;

 

Scripture is the sole rule of faith and practice and determines what is right and what is wrong.....I said millions have seen these same truths and confessed them as truth.

Cults confess other Christ denying truths...that is why there is the white throne judgment.

 

Protestant

no...that is impossible:thumbsup:

:laugh:....yes indeed....strange

yes...only quoting half the verse, which changes the meaning completely.

correct once again :thumbsup:

Yes... I see exactly that when I read his posts...

This is quite a mystery....:laugh:

 

Why would the Calvinism of the 16th century, by the standards of today, be considered a cult?

 

Calvinism of the 16th century could not possibly be considered a cult.

 

You post utter nonsense DHK. Real history is something you avoid like the plague.

 

steaver

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Cals work to study to clarify the scriptural positions even more

you are corncerned with so many side issues.....leave it to Steaver:thumbsup:

No...I know it is true and steadfast being the scriptural teaching. I come looking to grow and learn from more gifted brothers like Reformed, Protestant, SG, Rippon, OLD Regular, AA. Dr. Bob,and so many others.

I try and be helpful when I can....but it drowned out by the constant barrage of attacks from those who would oppose these truths.

Calvinism is true so I have no agenda to "prove it". I do have an agenda to grow in grace and learn more about My Lord and Master....Jesus Christ.

If that means doing battle against gainsayers, and false teachings, and various enemies of the cross and true doctrine....we can go there.

Speaking of hypocrisy...let me ask you Steaver...what do you post that you believe to be error???

In other words...what do you post where you say to yourself.....
This belief I have is wrong but I will post it anyway...

Everyone thinks they are correct until someone shows them the error.:type:

 

:wavey::applause::applause::wavey:

 

No one said the Lord has contradictory wills. If someone said it then quote it. Without a quote you simply are making false accusations: Spewing words into the wind.

What have I insisted in Post #279. Provide the quote. Explain the context.
If you can't put a clothespin on your mouth, unplug your computer, and take the battery out.

Let's look at the whole verse, shall we:

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

A paraphrase for those who are stuck in their hard-to-read KJV
(CEV) The Lord isn't slow about keeping his promises, as some people think he is. In fact, God is patient, because he wants everyone to turn from sin and no one to be lost.
--There is no "to us-ward" here for you to get hung up on.

(EMTV) The Lord does not delay concerning His promise, as some reckon slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
--This is the English Majority Text version; fairly accurate.
Notice what the "toward us" refers to. It refers to the promises of God. One could put a period after us or at least a semi-colon. Then his will is stated.
1. He is not willing that nay should perish.
2. He wills that all should come to repentance.
These two statements have nothing to do with the promises made to those Peter is writing to. Peter preaches eternal security. Those to whom he is writing to are eternally secure in Christ. They are not the ones in danger of perishing or in need of repentance. You have the verse all wrong.
Really, Icon! Is the KJV too hard for you to understand! Try another translation!.

Yes it is correct. The one sin that Lord will send people to hell for is unbelief. Why wouldn't you believe that. Why would you even question this truth?

Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

--Is there any question about this truth?

And the verse I used previously--Jesus's own words:
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

--If you don't understand Jesus's words, please ask, and I will explain them to you. Don't question his words as if he is lying. He isn't lying Icon. Unbelief will keep you out of heaven and send you straight to hell.

God wills that all men be saved. I have posted many verses to that end.
God wills that you be without sin.
Are you without sin? Not by a long shot! Why? You have sin to deal with, like we all do. His will for you will not be accomplished until you are glorified.
His will for unsaved man cannot be accomplished unless unsaved man willingly turns to Christ and receives his gift of salvation. God will not force salvation on the unsaved man, as the Calvinist teaches.

 

Only Rippon would dare to respond to answer to that post.
He will not admit to the true history of Calvinism but is deliberately blind to it.

 

But we have reached this 30th page faster than I have expected and thus this thread must be closed.