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I would suggest you get less acquainted with creeds, and more acquainted with scripture

 

O.R. has forgotten more scripture than you will ever know. If you understood the creeds and confessions you would not be as confused as you are.


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And your dad can whip my dad, right?

U 2 funee

 

O R is wrong about the Son not being, the heir of God.

 

Do you believe that there is only one GOD?

Do you believe there are three persons in the Godhead?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ was the Incarnate GOD?

Then how can GOD be the Heir of Himself?

I quoted the following Scripture:

Isaiah 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Please notice that the Incarnate GOD, Jesus the Messiah is also called:

1. The mighty God,

2. The everlasting Father,

3. The Prince of Peace.

I would suggest that you not let your disdain for the Creeds lead you to have disdain for Scripture that does not comport with your views!

 

How can GOD be the HEIR of GOD! AND when does this take place, when GOD dies? Think percho before you buy into some of the stuff posted on this Forum.

Icon correctly posted on a similar thread {Post 10, https://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=101573}

 

Take it up with the Holy Spirit concerning Hebrews 1:1-2. Also verse 4 says he
obtained by inheritance and verse 5 points out that took place when it was said, "Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee?" That day being the day he was resurrected from the dead.


How do you understand Hebrews 1:1-5?

 

How can God be WITH God? John 1:1

See, you've posed a riddle that you are incapable of answering. Because you do not know the scriptures. Percho already quoted the scriptures saying EXACTLY what I wrote.

Yet you try to argue against me, try to pin me in a corner with what you perceive as rhetorical might? Throw out a philosophical brain buster just because you are inept at understanding scripture? Because you prefer the creeds and catechisms of men over the very words of God?

Good job.

 

Matthew 21:

33 “Listen to another parable. There was a landowner who planted a vineyard and put a wall around it and dug a wine press in it, and built a tower, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey.

34 When the harvest time approached, he sent his slaves to the vine-growers to receive his produce.

35 The vine-growers took his slaves and beat one, and killed another, and stoned a third.

36 Again he sent another group of slaves larger than the first; and they did the same thing to them.

37 But afterward he sent his son to them, saying, ‘They will respect my son.’

38 But when the vine-growers saw the son, they said among themselves, ‘This is the heir; come, let us kill him and seize his inheritance.’

39 They took him, and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

40 Therefore when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those vine-growers?”

41 They said to Him, “He will bring those wretches to a wretched end, and will rent out the vineyard to other vine-growers who will pay him the proceeds at the proper seasons.”

42 Jesus said to them, “Did you never read in the Scriptures,

‘The stone which the builders rejected,
This became the chief corner stone;
This came about from the Lord,
And it is marvelous in our eyes’?

43 Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people, producing the fruit of it. 44 And he who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces; but on whomever it falls, it will scatter him like dust.”



Who is the Landowner, and who is the heir?

 

Yes, we are joint heirs with Christ. He Is, Was, and Is To Be:

The Son.

 

I think a quick glance at 1 John 1:1-5 might pay dividends.
The Lord Jesus is first described as 'That which was from the beginning' (cf. Rev. 22:13), then He is described as the Word, the Life and the Son. All these things He is and was and evermore shall be.

I don't know why people think it is smart to denigrate the Creeds. Is it not a form of pride that imagines that we are so much wiser and cleverer that the people who went before us?

Jer. 6:16. 'Thus says the LORD: "Stand in the ways and see, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is, and walk in it; then you will find rest for your souls." But they said, "We will not walk in it."'

 

James,

In an earlier post {#25} I asked several questions and made several observations based on Scripture. When you {and percho} answer these questions then I will respond to your comments!

 

OR has correctly pointed to Isa 9 on this issue......here is a fuller understanding of this heir/inheritance issue speaking of overall dominion;

 

I would like each of your thoughts.

Was this determined to take place before the foundation of the world, before the first man Adam, was created and became a living soul?

having known that, not with corruptible things -- silver or gold -- were ye redeemed from your foolish behaviour delivered by fathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and unspotted -- Christ's -- foreknown, indeed, before the foundation of the world, and manifested in the last times because of you, 1 Peter 1:18-20 YLT

Before the foundation of the world, how was this lamb, the Christ, the Son of the living God of Deut. 6:4, going to be manifested?

Did the LORD God of Deut. 6:4, the Ex 3:14, "I Am That I Am," or literally the, "I Will Be What I Will Be," create man In his image, the first man Adam, and take woman from him, for the following purpose Gal. 4:4 NKJV But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born fn of a woman, born under the law,
V5 to redeem those who were under the law, that we might receive the adoption as sons.

Did that take place in the following manner? Or did it not?

And on his thinking of these things, lo, a messenger of the Lord in a dream appeared to him, saying, 'Joseph, son of David, thou mayest not fear to receive Mary thy wife, for that which in her was begotten is of the Holy Spirit, and she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus, for he shall save his people from their sins.' Matt 1:20,21

Is Jesus conceived in the virgin and brought forth by her, the I Will BE, the, I AM, the Son of the living God, the Son of man?

Nothing but scripture. Have I robbed God? Jesus is God in the flesh, the Son of the living God, the I Will Be, self emptied. He is also the seed of Abraham and the seed of David. As Paul says, "Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to my gospel: Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

 

Jesus has and will forever be the Word of God, the Son of God, the Prince of Peace, Mighty Counsellor, Immanuel/Emmanuel. I tend to think Him being begotten was in His being God made known(manifested) in the flesh. He became the Son of man when He took upon Himself a human body. Could this be what it is referring to being begotten?

He was there in the beginning when God said 'let Us' which is plural.

 

:wavey::applause::applause::thumbs:

 

It would be nice if the peanut gallery could refrain from all the high fives long enough to have a discussion. If the only thing you want to do is put smilies in a post, can you do that in a pm?

I'm real serious. I read the entire thread each time before I reply with substance, and I lose all interest around page 5 or 6.

It's a great topic, and I'd like to continue. But I won't sift through full quotes that are 3 pages long, only to find a retarded smiley face at the end