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The facts about Trump policy of separating families at the border

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Gold Dragon

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Are we israel now then? Under the old Covenant?
No and no.

It helps us understand the heart of God in how he wanted his people to treat foreigners/aliens and why. Israel was initially alien in Egypt and treated kindly to begin with because of Joseph's position. But fear of growing numbers of Israelites and potential loss of power to them caused the Egyptians to enslave the Israelites. God wanted his people not to repeat that mistake and to remember that they were in the same position as the foreigners in their land.
 

Yeshua1

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No and no.

It helps us understand the heart of God in how he wanted his people to treat foreigners/aliens and why. Israel was initially alien in Egypt and treated kindly to begin with because of Joseph's position. But fear of growing numbers of Israelites and potential loss of power to them caused the Egyptians to enslave the Israelites. God wanted his people not to repeat that mistake and to remember that they were in the same position as the foreigners in their land.
We also have top make sure those coming in here are legally migrating here!
 

Matt Black

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We're not talking about the Dems (who in any event don't control the White House or Congress presently); we're talking about what our response should be as Christians...and the starting point is surely what Gold Dragon has said
 

Revmitchell

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sigh.....people from other countries who do not live here might want to do more investigating before trying to comment on things like this so they do not make the same mistake that has been made in this thread and end up misusing scripture.

The US lets in hundreds of thousands of people legally every year. We give them benefits such as medical and housing and food. We are most likely the most hospitable country in the planet. We give trillions of dollars to other countries every year even though we are broke and have a great debt. We are likely the most giving country on the planet. Yet we have to endure these misguided criticisms of completely untrue accusations of people with an agenda.

The current agenda behind the criticism over the illegal criminal aliens is due to the open borders people. What is being portrayed on the boarder is completely false. Further, there is no scripture that applies to the current situation. It just was never addressed in scripture. The misuse of scripture regarding strangers is sad but not surprising. See in those passages there was no one who was pushing an over run of the border with people who are using other peoples children to pretend to be a family and then forcing those children into the slave traffic. There was no mass amount of people at their border in which terrorists were hiding to come and to the country harm.

So stop misusing scripture.
 

Gold Dragon

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I have not made a single comment on what the US should do with its borders.

But that scripture is definitely relevant to any discussion we as people who call ourselves God's people need to have when considering how to treat foreigners in our land. Just like Australian Christians (I became a citizen last week) should consider this passage when we look at our poor treatment of asylum seekers. We need to speak up againt our governments when they commit sin in our name and the name of security.

At the same time we need to secure borders, control orderly migration, stop terrorists, prevent human traffickers. It is not an easy job in Australia and much harder in the US. It takes resources and time. But just because something is difficult doesn't mean we are justified in harming other people in the process of doing it.
 

Gold Dragon

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Written by paediatricians who have visited these detention centers.

Detention of Immigrant Children

Qualitative reports about detained unaccompanied immigrant children in the United States found high rates of posttraumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression, suicidal ideation, and other behavioral problems.60 Additionally, expert consensus has concluded that even brief detention can cause psychological trauma and induce long-term mental health risks for children.5

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In the United States, reports from human rights groups and other child advocates, including pediatricians, corroborate the deleterious effects of detention found in the aforementioned studies.33,35,4144 These reports describe prisonlike conditions; inconsistent access to quality medical, dental, or mental health care; and lack of appropriate developmental or educational opportunities.11,33,35,62Parents interviewed for these reports described regressive behavioral changes in their children, including decreased eating, sleep disturbances, clinginess, withdrawal, self-injurious behavior, and aggression.33,44

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After almost a year of investigation, the DHS Advisory Committee on Family Residential Centers ultimately made this recommendation34:

DHS’s immigration enforcement practices should operationalize the presumption that detention is generally neither appropriate nor necessary for families—and that detention or the separation of families for purposes of immigration enforcement or management are never in the best interest of children.
 

Adonia

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We're not talking about the Dems (who in any event don't control the White House or Congress presently); we're talking about what our response should be as Christians...and the starting point is surely what Gold Dragon has said

It means nothing that the Repubs are in the majority and control all 3 branches of goverment. The saying is this: "The Republicans hold office, the Democrats hold the power".

Sen Chuckie Schumer said he was not going to negotiate with Trump about the immigration issue and fix it once and for all. Period. End of story.

Trump caved. Need I say anything more?
 

Adonia

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Ah, so pro-life* Republicans are no longer the party of Family Values.

*Offer expires at the US border

Oh please. These kids are better off in U.S. custody than they were living in the sewer countries they came from. They are also safe from their irresponsible parents who dragged them from their home 1000 miles away, walked them through dangerous country sides, sitting on the tops of trains, and trudging through the southwest desert in the hands of dangerous criminals who smuggled them up to the border.

Some parents did not even accompany their kids, but sent them on alone to the "coyotes" who sexually abuse them among other things before they got to the border.

Yes, they are safer in U.S. government custody.
 

Adonia

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No and no.

It helps us understand the heart of God in how he wanted his people to treat foreigners/aliens and why. Israel was initially alien in Egypt and treated kindly to begin with because of Joseph's position. But fear of growing numbers of Israelites and potential loss of power to them caused the Egyptians to enslave the Israelites. God wanted his people not to repeat that mistake and to remember that they were in the same position as the foreigners in their land.

The Federal Government is not some adjunct partner of God. It is a secular institution that was formed to provide a government for the citizens of this nation and it's guiding document is the U.S. Constitution, not the Bible. While we should treat foreigners with compassion, there is no part of the Constitution that says the taxpayer must be responsible for every waif, homeless person, or other individual who shows up on our doorstep while coming from a country where life for them is not going well.
 

FollowTheWay

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You do realize that MANY of these children are used by the Drug Cartals to get into the USA, they are not part of the real families, and that the parents do know we will be making suree borders stay secured, does not the fault lie with them?
Trump reverses course signs order ending family separations on southern border
Trump reverses course, signs order ending his policy of separating families at the border

President Trump abruptly reversed course Wednesday, signing an executive order ending family separations at the U.S.-Mexico border after a public uproar over the impact of his administration’s “zero tolerance” immigration policy.

The plan, as described by administration officials, would keep families together in federal custody while awaiting prosecution for illegal border crossings, potentially violating a 1997 court settlement limiting the duration of child detentions.
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So are you now against Trump's new policy? If not, why not. This also answers all those here who incorrectly claimed that separating children from their parents was the law. It wasn't. It WAS Trump's policy but not any more.
 

Matt Black

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The Federal Government is not some adjunct partner of God. It is a secular institution that was formed to provide a government for the citizens of this nation and it's guiding document is the U.S. Constitution, not the Bible. While we should treat foreigners with compassion, there is no part of the Constitution that says the taxpayer must be responsible for every waif, homeless person, or other individual who shows up on our doorstep while coming from a country where life for them is not going well.
Presumably then you have no problem with government policy on gay marriage or abortion, as the government is not some.adjunct partner of God
 

FollowTheWay

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Oh please. These kids are better off in U.S. custody than they were living in the sewer countries they came from. They are also safe from their irresponsible parents who dragged them from their home 1000 miles away, walked them through dangerous country sides, sitting on the tops of trains, and trudging through the southwest desert in the hands of dangerous criminals who smuggled them up to the border.

Some parents did not even accompany their kids, but sent them on alone to the "coyotes" who sexually abuse them among other things before they got to the border.

Yes, they are safer in U.S. government custody.
My immigrant ancestors came across an ocean to find a better life in America. That's the country we USED to be. Not any more. Again I say we should tear down the Statue of liberty.
 
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