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The facts about Trump policy of separating families at the border

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FollowTheWay

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Fact Checker: The facts about Trump's policy of separating families at the border

The president and top administration officials say U.S. laws or court rulings are forcing them to separate families who are caught trying to cross the southern border.

These claims are false. Immigrant families are being separated primarily because the Trump administration in April began to prosecute as many border-crossing offenses as possible. This “zero-tolerance policy” applies to all adults, regardless of whether they cross alone or with their children.

The Trump administration implemented this policy by choice and could end it by choice. No law or court ruling mandates family separations. In fact, during its first 15 months, the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants who were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border, a total that includes more than 37,500 unaccompanied minors and more than 61,000 family members.

Children continue to be released to their relatives or to shelters. But since the zero-tolerance policy took effect, parents as a rule are being prosecuted. Any conviction in those proceedings would be grounds for deportation.

Since 2014, hundreds of thousands of Central American children and families have fled to the United States because of rampant violence and gang activity in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. U.S. laws provide asylum or refugee status to qualified applicants, but the Trump administration says smugglers and bad actors are exploiting these same laws to gain entry. Nielsen says the government has detected hundreds of cases of fraud among migrants traveling with children who are not their own. Trump says he wants to close what he describes as “loopholes” in these humanitarian-relief laws.

The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. The Justice Department under Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous individuals. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.

Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, national-security risks and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies on one hand and misdemeanors on the other.

Adding it all up, this means the Trump administration is operating a system in which immigrant families that are apprehended at the border necessarily get split up, since children go into a process in which they eventually get placed with sponsors inside the country while their parents are prosecuted and potentially deported.

This is a question of Trump and his Cabinet choosing to enforce some laws over others. The legal landscape did not change between the time when the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants during its first 15 months and the time when the zero-tolerance policy took effect in April 2018.

Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.

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Sessions quoting the Bible to support a cruel and unChristian policy is heretical. But then the Bible was evoked top support slavery in America as well.
 

Revmitchell

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Fact Checker: The facts about Trump's policy of separating families at the border

The president and top administration officials say U.S. laws or court rulings are forcing them to separate families who are caught trying to cross the southern border.

These claims are false. Immigrant families are being separated primarily because the Trump administration in April began to prosecute as many border-crossing offenses as possible. This “zero-tolerance policy” applies to all adults, regardless of whether they cross alone or with their children.

The Trump administration implemented this policy by choice and could end it by choice. No law or court ruling mandates family separations. In fact, during its first 15 months, the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants who were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border, a total that includes more than 37,500 unaccompanied minors and more than 61,000 family members.

What is unChristian is not following the law. The issue is the law needs to be changed not simply ignored. So not it is not false just because Trump could choose to stop enforcing the law.
 

Revmitchell

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Ingraham stated, “And for Democrats to run down to the border… and they’re like, ‘this is an inhumane series of actions by Donald Trump.’ You pointed out during the break how President Obama viewed the deportation issue.”
Shapiro recalled, “In 2014, Jeh Johnson, who was then Homeland Security Secretary, he explicitly said that we are taking the measures we are taking to deport entire families of people as a ‘deterrent.’ That was his language, ‘deterrent’ language. Now, when the Trump administration uses similar language with regard to separating families, (I don’t think they should necessarily use that language), but that language is not unprecedented and the fact is, that basically what the Left is saying now is that President Trump has a choice: Either he should release everyone into mainstream society or they’re going to yell and scream because the law itself says, the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals has made this very clear, that if you arrest the parents you have to release the kids. And that means that you have to separate the kids from the parents.

Shapiro Discussing Immigration With Ingraham: 'It's Pretty Clear What The Left Wants Here'
 

HankD

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Per their usual MO the marxist press has found swamp stuff slime that has appeared to have stuck to the wall with the lengthy mantra "Trump is ripping babies out of their mother's arms!:eek:"

However because of social media and POTUS tweeting it has already begun to slide off.
Seems Obama (Nobel Peace Prize Recipient) Did the same thing.

Maybe we should bank robbers with children off the hook - can't leave the kids fatherless you know.
 

atpollard

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Facts:
  • Families can be separated for as little as 24 hours as cases involving families are fast tracked to a court hearing.
  • First time offenders (illegal entry IS a crime) are charged with a misdemeanor and offered the preferred option of being returned to their country of origin.
  • Those who CHOOSE to accept deportation, are reunited with their families and the entire family is deported together.
  • Those who CHOOSE to claim asylum must wait for an asylum hearing (which can take months).
  • As criminals who entered illegally (rather than requesting asylum at a border station), the parents are required to be housed in prison until their hearing.
  • The LAW only allows the government to hold 'unaccompanied minors' for 20 days (but the parent's hearing takes longer).
  • The Obama Administration CHOSE to not charge ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS with children with a crime to avoid separating families, which had the effect of giving illegal immigrants who dragged children along a 'immunity from deportation' since they were immediately released and fled their deportation court appearance date.
  • As word of the Obama policy spread, illegal immigrants began to 'borrow' children and pretend to be a family as 'deportation insurance'.
  • Trump reversed the Obama policy of NOT CHARGING criminals as criminals. As criminals, the law requires children not be housed with parents in jail.
  • Only CONGRESS can change the LAW setting the 20 day limit on 'unaccompanied minors' and create an exception for families claiming asylum. (as Trump has requested)
  • Only CONGRESS can appropriate more money to create more housing for immigrant families at the border so they can be housed together while awaiting an asylum hearing. (as Trump has requested)
The Truth about Separating Kids
 

SovereignGrace

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Liberals are against ripping kids from their parents arms, but approve of ripping babies from their mothers’ wombs. :rolleyes::eek::Cautious

#LiberalLogic
 

HankD

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Liberals are against ripping kids from their parents arms, but approve of ripping babies from their mothers’ wombs. :rolleyes::eek::Cautious

#LiberalLogic

At least being ripped from their mother's arms (if it is indeed true in most cases) they still have a chance at LIFE and perhaps even liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
 

Yeshua1

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Fact Checker: The facts about Trump's policy of separating families at the border

The president and top administration officials say U.S. laws or court rulings are forcing them to separate families who are caught trying to cross the southern border.

These claims are false. Immigrant families are being separated primarily because the Trump administration in April began to prosecute as many border-crossing offenses as possible. This “zero-tolerance policy” applies to all adults, regardless of whether they cross alone or with their children.

The Trump administration implemented this policy by choice and could end it by choice. No law or court ruling mandates family separations. In fact, during its first 15 months, the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants who were apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border, a total that includes more than 37,500 unaccompanied minors and more than 61,000 family members.

Children continue to be released to their relatives or to shelters. But since the zero-tolerance policy took effect, parents as a rule are being prosecuted. Any conviction in those proceedings would be grounds for deportation.

Since 2014, hundreds of thousands of Central American children and families have fled to the United States because of rampant violence and gang activity in El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras. U.S. laws provide asylum or refugee status to qualified applicants, but the Trump administration says smugglers and bad actors are exploiting these same laws to gain entry. Nielsen says the government has detected hundreds of cases of fraud among migrants traveling with children who are not their own. Trump says he wants to close what he describes as “loopholes” in these humanitarian-relief laws.

The Central American refugee crisis developed during President Barack Obama’s administration and continues under Trump. The two administrations have taken different approaches. The Justice Department under Obama prioritized the deportation of dangerous individuals. Once he took office, Trump issued an executive order rolling back much of the Obama-era framework.

Obama’s guidelines prioritized the deportation of gang members, national-security risks and those who had committed felonies. Trump’s January 2017 executive order does not include a priority list for deportations and refers only to “criminal offenses,” which is broad enough to encompass serious felonies on one hand and misdemeanors on the other.

Adding it all up, this means the Trump administration is operating a system in which immigrant families that are apprehended at the border necessarily get split up, since children go into a process in which they eventually get placed with sponsors inside the country while their parents are prosecuted and potentially deported.

This is a question of Trump and his Cabinet choosing to enforce some laws over others. The legal landscape did not change between the time when the Trump administration released nearly 100,000 immigrants during its first 15 months and the time when the zero-tolerance policy took effect in April 2018.

Sessions, who otherwise owns up to what’s happening, has suggested the Flores settlement and a court ruling are forcing his hand. They’re not. At heart, this is an issue of prosecutorial discretion: his discretion.

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Sessions quoting the Bible to support a cruel and unChristian policy is heretical. But then the Bible was evoked top support slavery in America as well.
Started under Apresiden Obama though, as ytou should know, and president trump does NOT want to issue an executive order to solve this issue, as Obama did use that method several times unconstitionally, but Trump wants Congress to make a bill that he can sign into law to give a permanent solution!
There is a recent poll that show 2-1. Americans will support giving to children of illegals here a pathway to citizenship and keep families united, but ALSO support building the Wall, and enforcing going forward zero tolerance and basing immigration on the merit basis!
 

FollowTheWay

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What is unChristian is not following the law. The issue is the law needs to be changed not simply ignored. So not it is not false just because Trump could choose to stop enforcing the law.
There is no law demanding that this be done. It was simply one of trump's whims and is totally on him.
 

FollowTheWay

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Started under Apresiden Obama though, as ytou should know, and president trump does NOT want to issue an executive order to solve this issue, as Obama did use that method several times unconstitionally, but Trump wants Congress to make a bill that he can sign into law to give a permanent solution!
There is a recent poll that show 2-1. Americans will support giving to children of illegals here a pathway to citizenship and keep families united, but ALSO support building the Wall, and enforcing going forward zero tolerance and basing immigration on the merit basis!
Separating children from their families is Trump's and Sessions' policy. Obama's policy was to minimize this.
 

Matt Black

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At least being ripped from their mother's arms (if it is indeed true in most cases) they still have a chance at LIFE and perhaps even liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
Ah, so pro-life* Republicans are no longer the party of Family Values.

*Offer expires at the US border
 
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