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The Falwell's are falling hard publicly now, not falwell, but fallbad

Rob_BW

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The school will be better off when it's under new management.

I have family in Lynchburg, and have heard Johnathan preach. As far as I know he's free of scandal, but I reckon it's for the best if he stays put and a non-Falwell takes the presidency.
 

InTheLight

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Falwell Family Values | The American Conservative

Apparently they were swingers, and he a cuckold. And the 29 yr old shared naked photos of Falwell's his wife and recordings , and Falwell watched them go at it.

How is the guy 29 years old?

According to your linked article he was 20 when he met the Falwells in 2012. That was 7 years ago.

20 plus 7 equals 27.

I wish I could say I don't believe these stories. But I can't.
 

Jerome

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How is the guy 29 years old?

According to your linked article he was 20 when he met the Falwells in 2012. That was 7 years ago.

20 plus 7 equals 27.

Oh brother.

Being age 20 in early 2012 would make him 28 eight years later in early 2020, and he has since turned 29.
 

InTheLight

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Oh brother.

Being age 20 in early 2012 would make him 28 eight years later in early 2020, and he has since turned 29.
You were supposed to let it slide and see if Dr. Downey would correct me on it.

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agedman

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Does anyone really believe that Jonathan Falwell did NOT know the hedonistic side of his brother and wife?

If you do, there is still a bridge somewhere for sale.

Thomas Road needs to dig deep and purge the whole lump of ungodliness from themselves.

Folks, this Falwell business is just the tip of the mountain of ungodliness that has been festering. It has been going on from their youth. These things are not sudden, or just happened.

A lot of families destroyed, and hurt because of the Falwell family sinfulness.
 

Calminian

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Sad time for the Church. JFJ was very influential.

Gleeful for some.

"It raises an important question too about whether or not the Trump campaign used knowledge of the Falwells’ affair to pressure Jerry Jr. to endorse Trump"​

Cuz everything is about Trump.

Depressing. I hope the truth is nowhere near the salacious speculations in the article.
 

Calminian

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Does anyone really believe that Jonathan Falwell did NOT know the hedonistic side of his brother and wife?

If you do, there is still a bridge somewhere for sale.

Thomas Road needs to dig deep and purge the whole lump of ungodliness from themselves.

Folks, this Falwell business is just the tip of the mountain of ungodliness that has been festering. It has been going on from their youth. These things are not sudden, or just happened.

A lot of families destroyed, and hurt because of the Falwell family sinfulness.

I'm hurt. Admired JFJ.
 

Calminian

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....Apparently they were swingers....

Could it rather, be as simple as this?

STATEMENT BY JERRY FALWELL, JR.

Aug. 23, 2020

My family has been blessed with the opportunity to serve Christ and our community over the past 50 years — from when my father founded Liberty in the early 1970’s through today. When my father suddenly passed away in 2007, I quickly and unexpectedly went from being the lawyer working in the background on the business aspects of the school to becoming a very public person, having to overcome my fears of speaking in front of audiences of tens of thousands, with many more responsibilities to the Liberty community and to my own family.

My priority was to build on my father’s vision and to work hard. Thanks to the help of the Board and the extraordinary Liberty faculty, executives, staff and community, we have ensured the University’s sustained growth and financial health while providing the best and most modern on-campus and online educational and spiritual resources to a wider range of students both in person and through digital platforms.

My commitment to Liberty became and has remained my primary focus — and while I am so grateful and thankful for our collective successes, I also realize in hindsight that there was a toll that this took on me, which extended to my family too. During this time of reflection for us and this especially challenging year, and even more so following the events of the past few weeks, my wife Becki and I agreed that this was the right time for me to share more of our story, because the Liberty community deserves to hear it directly from me and from us.

During a vacation over eight years ago, Becki and I met an ambitious young man who was working at our hotel and was saving up his money to go to school. We encouraged him to pursue an education and a career and we were impressed by his initiative in suggesting a local real estate opportunity. My family members eventually made an investment in a local property, included him in the deal because he could play an active role in managing it, and became close with him and his family.

Shortly thereafter, Becki had an inappropriate personal relationship with this person, something in which I was not involved — it was nonetheless very upsetting to learn about. After I learned this, I lost 80 pounds and people who saw me regularly thought that I was physically unwell, when in reality I was just balancing how to be most supportive of Becki, who I love, while also reflecting and praying about whether there were ways I could have been more supportive of her and given her proper attention. I came to realize that while it may be easy to judge others on their behavior, the King James Bible reminds us — “Thou shalt not commit adultery, but I sayeth unto you, that whoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her in his heart.” In fact, there are ways we may all be sinning, but the Lord believes in this self-reflection.

I was and have always remained fully devoted to Becki and we have shared many private conversations to better understand and support each other and to strengthen our marriage. Thankfully, our love has never been stronger. Becki and I forgave each other, because while her indiscretion may have been more obvious and apparent, I realized that there were important smaller things I needed to do better too.

In Ephesians 4:32 we learn — “Be kind to one another, tender hearted, forgiving as God in Christ forgave you.”

We extended the spirit of forgiveness to this man with respect and kindness, both for spiritual and religious reasons, and in the hope that we could help him find his way and allow us to put this behind us, without any harm or embarrassment to our family or to the LU community to which we have dedicated our lives.

During the years that followed, we got to know his family and other loved ones, good people who also really care about him. They shared and confirmed to us that he has periodically demonstrated emotionally unstable behaviors with some destructive tendencies, seemingly in response to his inability to achieve his professional goals. Based on information from other sources, we believe that he may have targeted other successful women in similar ways.

While we tried to distance ourselves from him over time, he unfortunately became increasingly angry and aggressive. Eventually, he began threatening to publicly reveal this secret relationship with Becki and to deliberately embarrass my wife, family, and Liberty University unless we agreed to pay him substantial monies. While this was very upsetting, we had been advised by trusted legal counsel that it was best to maintain contact with this person, as we tried to manage his increasingly erratic behavior and unreasonable demands while extricating ourselves from him both on a personal level and from that real estate transaction.

It was like living on a roller coaster.

While completely dedicating ourselves to Liberty, we were also suffering in silence during our personal time together, while simultaneously trying to manage and deal with this increasingly threatening behavior, which only worsened over time. We were doing our best to respectfully unravel this ‘fatal attraction’ type situation to protect our family and the University.

Even years after the improper relationship had ended, this person continued to be aggressive with Becki and me in a variety of ways. We finally decided that we had to further withdraw completely from him, which resulted in him stepping up his threats to share more outrageous and fabricate claims about us (under the guise of that business entity). He clearly moved forward with this plan through a specific member of the media who has continued to badger us, as well as other members of the media, regarding the false claims about the nature of the relationship based on the individual’s misrepresentations. Over the course of the last few months this person's behavior has reached a level that we have decided the only way to stop this predatory behavior is to go public.

We have categorically rejected this person’s demands while dealing with him and this particular member of the media who seemed just as obsessed with the prurient, untrue aspects of this story, however fantastic.

Even though I continued successfully working with our entire Liberty team to achieve so many of our goals, I am now dealing with things in a way that I should have done before — including seeking to address the emotional toll this has taken. I shouldn’t have been afraid to admit my vulnerabilities and to reach out for assistance from the mental health professionals who could have alleviated this pain and stress. I am committed to speaking out and sharing with others at Liberty the importance of seeking counseling instead of thinking you need to be tough and try to bear these burdens on your own. I am in the early stages of addressing these issues.

Proverbs 3:5-6 says “trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on thine own understanding in all your ways acknowledge him and he will guide straight thy path.”


The trauma of this experience has brought us to a very challenging point in our lives, but we are strong, our faith in Christ is greater than ever, and with His help and with those in the community who we love and who appreciate the impact of forgiveness, we will get through this. We ask for your prayers and support.​
 

SGO

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Can I forgive this man?
"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven,"
Matthew 18:21-22
 

Scott Downey

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Can I forgive this man?
"Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?
Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven,"
Matthew 18:21-22

Matthew 18 further back though Jesus tells us this. v17, people who refuse to admit their sin even to the whole church are not saved believers. Simply shows their liars with an unfeeling seared consciousness having no conviction of their sins which can only come from the Holy Spirit work within them.

15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.


Immorality Must Be Judged
9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.
10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.
11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside?
13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

Meaning have nothing else to do with them. Leave them alone, they are as the blind leaders of the blind.
 
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Reynolds

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Sad time for the Church. JFJ was very influential.

Gleeful for some.

"It raises an important question too about whether or not the Trump campaign used knowledge of the Falwells’ affair to pressure Jerry Jr. to endorse Trump"​

Cuz everything is about Trump.

Depressing. I hope the truth is nowhere near the salacious speculations in the article.
Way I remember it, J.F. Sr. Was at the helm of PTL when it went bankrupt. Jim Baker, despite his obvious faults, was keeping it financially above water. As soon as Falwell took over, economic implosion. The way I heard it, Falwell got the Satellite. According to many, that was all he wanted anyway.
 

Rob_BW

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Way I remember it, J.F. Sr. Was at the helm of PTL when it went bankrupt. Jim Baker, despite his obvious faults, was keeping it financially above water. As soon as Falwell took over, economic implosion. The way I heard it, Falwell got the Satellite. According to many, that was all he wanted anyway.

Do you think the donations that kept that enterprise afloat remained unchanged after the Bakker scandals? Blaming JF Sr for Bakker's mess seems ridiculous.

And what does "Falwell got the Satellite" even mean?
 

Rob_BW

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Does anyone really believe that Jonathan Falwell did NOT know the hedonistic side of his brother and wife?

If you do, there is still a bridge somewhere for sale.

Thomas Road needs to dig deep and purge the whole lump of ungodliness from themselves.

Folks, this Falwell business is just the tip of the mountain of ungodliness that has been festering. It has been going on from their youth. These things are not sudden, or just happened.

A lot of families destroyed, and hurt because of the Falwell family sinfulness.

If Johnathan was involved, then evidence will come out.

Your opinion on the school hasn't been a secret, though, so it's no surprise to see you salivating over its troubles and implicating a pastor with no evidence.
 

agedman

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If Johnathan was involved, then evidence will come out.

Your opinion on the school hasn't been a secret, though, so it's no surprise to see you salivating over its troubles and implicating a pastor with no evidence.

You have no idea what my heart is on this and other such scandals that have been “exposed” in my lifetime.

I don’t “salivate” when folks fail and when God brings rebuke.

I posted long ago and consistently about the Falwell’s being deceitful.

Why would I be suddenly be excited that a part of the mess is now publicly known?
 

SGO

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But it doesn't mean that I view him as a "leader". To me he has lost his position of respect but not his ability to receive forgiveness.
If he could not then I certainly couldn't.
 

Reynolds

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Do you think the donations that kept that enterprise afloat remained unchanged after the Bakker scandals? Blaming JF Sr for Bakker's mess seems ridiculous.

And what does "Falwell got the Satellite" even mean?
He was still rasing the money after the scandal broke. If you dont know what the satellite is then you have no idea what happened.
 

SGO

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Could it rather, be as simple as this?

STATEMENT BY JERRY FALWELL, JR.

Aug. 23, 2020

My family has been blessed with the opportunity to serve Christ and our community over the past 50 years — from when my father founded Liberty in the early 1970’s through today. When my father suddenly passed away in 2007, I quickly and unexpectedly went from being the lawyer working in the background on the business aspects of the school to becoming a very public person, having to overcome my fears of speaking in front of audiences of tens of thousands, with many more responsibilities to the Liberty community and to my own family.

My priority was to build on my father’s vision and to work hard. Thanks to the help of the Board and the extraordinary Liberty faculty, executives, staff and community, we have ensured the University’s sustained growth and financial health while providing the best and most modern on-campus and online educational and spiritual resources to a wider range of students both in person and through digital platforms.

My commitment to Liberty became and has remained my primary focus — and while I am so grateful and thankful for our collective successes, I also realize in hindsight that there was a toll that this took on me, which extended to my family too. During this time of reflection for us and this especially challenging year, and even more so following the events of the past few weeks, my wife Becki and I agreed that this was the right time for me to share more of our story, because the Liberty community deserves to hear it directly from me and from us.

During a vacation over eight years ago, Becki and I met an ambitious young man who was working at our hotel and was saving up his money to go to school. We encouraged him to pursue an education and a career and we were impressed by his initiative in suggesting a local real estate opportunity. My family members eventually made an investment in a local property, included him in the deal because he could play an active role in managing it, and became close with him and his family.

Shortly thereafter, Becki had an inappropriate personal relationship with this person, something in which I was not involved — it was nonetheless very upsetting to learn about. After I learned this, I lost 80 pounds and people who saw me regularly thought that I was physically unwell, when in reality I was just balancing how to be most supportive of Becki, who I love, while also reflecting and praying about whether there were ways I could have been more supportive of her and given her proper attention. I came to realize that while it may be easy to judge others on their behavior, the King James Bible reminds us — “Thou shalt not commit adultery, but I sayeth unto you, that whoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her in his heart.” In fact, there are ways we may all be sinning, but the Lord believes in this self-reflection.

I was and have always remained fully devoted to Becki and we have shared many private conversations to better understand and support each other and to strengthen our marriage. Thankfully, our love has never been stronger. Becki and I forgave each other, because while her indiscretion may have been more obvious and apparent, I realized that there were important smaller things I needed to do better too.

In Ephesians 4:32 we learn — “Be kind to one another, tender hearted, forgiving as God in Christ forgave you.”

We extended the spirit of forgiveness to this man with respect and kindness, both for spiritual and religious reasons, and in the hope that we could help him find his way and allow us to put this behind us, without any harm or embarrassment to our family or to the LU community to which we have dedicated our lives.

During the years that followed, we got to know his family and other loved ones, good people who also really care about him. They shared and confirmed to us that he has periodically demonstrated emotionally unstable behaviors with some destructive tendencies, seemingly in response to his inability to achieve his professional goals. Based on information from other sources, we believe that he may have targeted other successful women in similar ways.

While we tried to distance ourselves from him over time, he unfortunately became increasingly angry and aggressive. Eventually, he began threatening to publicly reveal this secret relationship with Becki and to deliberately embarrass my wife, family, and Liberty University unless we agreed to pay him substantial monies. While this was very upsetting, we had been advised by trusted legal counsel that it was best to maintain contact with this person, as we tried to manage his increasingly erratic behavior and unreasonable demands while extricating ourselves from him both on a personal level and from that real estate transaction.

It was like living on a roller coaster.

While completely dedicating ourselves to Liberty, we were also suffering in silence during our personal time together, while simultaneously trying to manage and deal with this increasingly threatening behavior, which only worsened over time. We were doing our best to respectfully unravel this ‘fatal attraction’ type situation to protect our family and the University.

Even years after the improper relationship had ended, this person continued to be aggressive with Becki and me in a variety of ways. We finally decided that we had to further withdraw completely from him, which resulted in him stepping up his threats to share more outrageous and fabricate claims about us (under the guise of that business entity). He clearly moved forward with this plan through a specific member of the media who has continued to badger us, as well as other members of the media, regarding the false claims about the nature of the relationship based on the individual’s misrepresentations. Over the course of the last few months this person's behavior has reached a level that we have decided the only way to stop this predatory behavior is to go public.

We have categorically rejected this person’s demands while dealing with him and this particular member of the media who seemed just as obsessed with the prurient, untrue aspects of this story, however fantastic.

Even though I continued successfully working with our entire Liberty team to achieve so many of our goals, I am now dealing with things in a way that I should have done before — including seeking to address the emotional toll this has taken. I shouldn’t have been afraid to admit my vulnerabilities and to reach out for assistance from the mental health professionals who could have alleviated this pain and stress. I am committed to speaking out and sharing with others at Liberty the importance of seeking counseling instead of thinking you need to be tough and try to bear these burdens on your own. I am in the early stages of addressing these issues.

Proverbs 3:5-6 says “trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on thine own understanding in all your ways acknowledge him and he will guide straight thy path.”



"The trauma of this experience has brought us to a very challenging point in our lives, but we are strong, our faith in Christ is greater than ever, and with His help and with those in the community who we love and who appreciate the impact of forgiveness, we will get through this. We ask for your prayers and support."

Looks like he asked the Lord for forgiveness but made excuses to everyone else.
Am I misinterpreting his statement?

 
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