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The fastest way to solve the health care crisis

TCassidy

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Cassidy has a person passion for the military.
I have a special place in my heart for those who were willing to step up and do whatever was necessary to preserve liberty and justice for our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren.

He served.
Yes, he did.
Nobody who ever served during wartime would ever call that service "great."

provide for themselves and their families.
Yep. Been providing for myself and my family since 1959.

a lifelong dependent at the public's expense?
I don't know anyone like that.

For me, personally, I receive medical attention due to a disability that is a direct result of my service, and as a "pre-existing condition" those insurance companies you think so much of won't insure me for.

And because a loving, compassionate people care for their fellow humans. And they not only love their fellow people, they love their Savior and obey his commands.

Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

"If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: but thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely give him sufficient for his need, in that which he lacks.

Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.

For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land." -- Deuteronomy 15:7-11
 

TCassidy

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I gave an article source. However I am not going to go through every govt dole out and law and news article, govt reports and examples to satisfy you.
In other words you can't do it? You are, as my mother used to say, "talking through your hat?"
 

Happy

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Because they have become disabled thanks to the service they provided the country?

What is "disabled" ? A missing arm, missing a big toe, being afraid, interrupted sight / hearing / smell, allergies, heart disorder, ulcers, headaches, cancer, foggy mind, etc.?
 

TCassidy

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What is "disabled" ?
dis·a·bledˌdisˈāb(ə)ld/
adjective
(of a person) having a physical or mental condition that limits movements, senses, or activities.

A missing arm,
Two. Thanks for asking.
missing a big toe
Two. Thanks for asking.
being afraid
I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. Fear is the opposite of faith.
interrupted sight
In my 70s and still 20/20.

I wear hearing aids in both ears, but that is simply the wear and tear of age.
I smell good, thank you.
allergies
None.

heart disorder
Chronic Atrial Fibrillation with Ventricular Following.

Nope.

headaches
Nope.

40 year cancer survivor. It's been a long and difficult battle.

foggy mind
Nope. How about you?
 

Happy

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I have a special place in my heart for those who were willing to step up and do whatever was necessary to preserve liberty and justice for our children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren.


Yes, he did.
Nobody who ever served during wartime would ever call that service "great."

Yep. Been providing for myself and my family since 1959.

I don't know anyone like that.

For me, personally, I receive medical attention due to a disability that is a direct result of my service, and as a "pre-existing condition" those insurance companies you think so much of won't insure me for.

And because a loving, compassionate people care for their fellow humans. And they not only love their fellow people, they love their Savior and obey his commands.

Matthew 5:42 Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.

"If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren within any of thy gates in thy land which the Lord thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not harden thine heart, nor shut thine hand from thy poor brother: but thou shalt open thine hand wide unto him, and shalt surely give him sufficient for his need, in that which he lacks.

Thou shalt surely give him, and thine heart shall not be grieved when thou givest unto him: because that for this thing the Lord thy God shall bless thee in all thy works, and in all that thou puttest thine hand unto.

For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land." -- Deuteronomy 15:7-11

I never said serving during war-time was great. A man giving his time to serve is great!

Preserving Liberty is great as well. However open your eyes, most of the county is filled with dependents.

those insurance companies you think so much of

You speaking for me gives a completely false impression of what I think of insurance companies. Which BTW, not once have I stated or implied thinking so much of insurance companies.

I don't know you or your particulars or what or why of your ailments. However I do not believe, the title VET, means every medical ailment is military related. I am also well aware, during the Viet Nam conflict, wacky weed was well favored and abundant and in Afghanistan and Iraq abundant and the favored choice and widely used is Heroin.

If there be among you a poor man of one of thy brethren

Who are your brethren? Jesus answers that question.

Matt.12
  1. [50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.
Who are the poor, and what food does Scripture say to feed them?

John 6

[53] Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
[54] Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
[55] For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
[56] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

Deut. 24

[19] When thou cuttest down thine harvest in thy field, and hast forgot a sheaf in the field, thou shalt not go again to fetch it: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow: that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hands.
[20] When thou beatest thine olive tree, thou shalt not go over the boughs again: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.
[21] When thou gatherest the grapes of thy vineyard, thou shalt not glean it afterward: it shall be for the stranger, for the fatherless, and for the widow.

I am not against giving to aid and help, as I have expressly stated. I am against COMPELLED (forced, required) giving.
 

Happy

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dis·a·bledˌdisˈāb(ə)ld/
adjective
(of a person) having a physical or mental condition that limits movements, senses, or activities.


Two. Thanks for asking.

Two. Thanks for asking.

I'm not afraid of anything or anyone. Fear is the opposite of faith.
In my 70s and still 20/20.


I wear hearing aids in both ears, but that is simply the wear and tear of age.

I smell good, thank you.
None.

Chronic Atrial Fibrillation with Ventricular Following.

Nope.

Nope.

40 year cancer survivor. It's been a long and difficult battle.

Nope. How about you?

dis·a·bledˌdisˈāb(ə)ld/
adjective
(of a person) having a physical or mental condition that limits movements, senses, or activities.

Yes. Correct. Limits. And who does not have limits?

I'm sure you have had a long and difficult battle. That is your personal hardship, as we all have to battle hardships as our own personal tests, for our own personal benefit of knowing our own personal standing with ourselves with God.

Me? I am blessed by God and thankful to God.
 

annsni

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Yes. Correct. Limits. And who does not have limits?

I'm sure you have had a long and difficult battle. That is your personal hardship, as we all have to battle hardships as our own personal tests, for our own personal benefit of knowing our own personal standing with ourselves with God.

Me? I am blessed by God and thankful to God.

And if you were injured due to a job you were employed in, don't you think that the company has a responsibility to help you pay for your disability? A friend of mine was working in construction putting in pilings when the pile driver broke and came down and crushed him. It is by the grace of God that he is alive today but he couldn't work for years because of the injury he received. He is a manual laborer and his accident was no fault of his own. Does he not deserve to be cared for by his company or should his family just have suffered because of his job choice?
 

TCassidy

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However I do not believe, the title VET, means every medical ailment is military related.
Nobody has claimed they are. Are you just making this up as you go along?

I am also well aware, during the Viet Nam conflict, wacky weed was well favored and abundant and in Afghanistan and Iraq abundant and the favored choice and widely used is Heroin.
I see. So vets are dopers? Yeah. Sure.

I am not against giving to aid and help, as I have expressly stated.
Wonderful! So how much have you given this month to help the needy?

And who does not have limits?
Are you equating your limits, intellectual, or academic, or emotional with a quadriplegic or a double amputee?
 

Happy

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And if you were injured due to a job you were employed in, don't you think that the company has a responsibility to help you pay for your disability? A friend of mine was working in construction putting in pilings when the pile driver broke and came down and crushed him. It is by the grace of God that he is alive today but he couldn't work for years because of the injury he received. He is a manual laborer and his accident was no fault of his own. Does he not deserve to be cared for by his company or should his family just have suffered because of his job choice?

All incidents should be investigated. The facts should determine the outcome with parties (employer or employee) proven negligence. To simple say out-right the employer is responsible, is not something, void of facts, that I would say.
 

Happy

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Nobody has claimed they are. Are you just making this up as you go along?

Nope, just considering your list.

TCassidy said:

Just the military? What about ex-military? What about military wives? What about military dependents? What about ex-military wives and ex-military dependents?


I see. So vets are dopers? Yeah. Sure.

Obviously you don't see. I did not say vets are dopers. However it is not a secret dope is readily available and used by military men in foreign lands!

Wonderful! So how much have you given this month to help the needy?

I give often and sometimes sparingly and sometimes abundantly, as I am best suited to know WITHOUT being COMPELLED, what I can give and not make myself a government burden in the meantime.

Why do you ask specifically? Do you not favor another receiving their heavenly reward?

Matt 6
[2] Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Are you equating your limits, intellectual, or academic, or emotional with a quadriplegic or a double amputee?

I equate my limits with what scripture teaches. Only God knows all things. Only God has supreme wisdom and understanding.

1Cor.12
  1. [4] Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
Your remarks implying your "intellect" ranks above me, and worthy for you to keep a "score", and carry on as if you require a grandstand, is funny to me.
 

TCassidy

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Nope, just considering your list.

TCassidy said:

Just the military? What about ex-military? What about military wives? What about military dependents? What about ex-military wives and ex-military dependents?
Where does it say "the title VET, means every medical ailment is military related?"

Obviously you don't see. I did not say vets are dopers. However it is not a secret dope is readily available and used by military men in foreign lands!
So, because booze is available here in the US for you, does that make you an alcoholic?

I give often and sometimes sparingly and sometimes abundantly, as I am best suited to know WITHOUT being COMPELLED, what I can give and not make myself a government burden in the meantime.
So, you don't consider the command from God's word to be compelling?
Why do you ask specifically? Do you not favor another receiving their heavenly reward?
"Be ye warmed and filled?"

I equate my limits with what scripture teaches. Only God knows all things. Only God has supreme wisdom and understanding.
So you now admit that a double amputee is more disabled than you?
 

Happy

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="TCassidy, post: 2301667, member: 2704"]Where does it say "the title VET, means every medical ailment is military related?"

I didn't quote you, I said I considered your list.

So, because booze is available here in the US for you, does that make you an alcoholic?

Lots of things are available. Doesn't mean I favor it.

"One of many elements that set the Vietnam War apart from other wars up until that point was drug use, which was rampant among soldiers." source; Vietnam Vet ~ Vietnam War Drug Use Marijuana, Heroin, skag, Among Soldiers

So, you don't consider the command from God's word to be compelling?"Be ye warmed and filled?"

I didn't say that. Again you attempt to speak for me. Why? I am quite capable of speaking for myself.
With your implied bragging of what you know, I thought you might have comprehended I was speaking of an Earthly Government "compulsion"! <-- which is legal force.

So you now admit that a double amputee is more disabled than you?

Did "I" say that? No, I didn't. Again, why do you insist on attempting to speak for me?
 

TCassidy

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I didn't quote you, I said I considered your list.
And where were vets that were entitled to disability for every disability whether service connected or not on my list?

Doesn't mean I favor it.
But military personnel do?
I didn't say that.
You don't like to be commanded. You didn't except God from that statement.

Did "I" say that? No, I didn't.
So you do consider your disability to equate to a double amputee?
 

annsni

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All incidents should be investigated. The facts should determine the outcome with parties (employer or employee) proven negligence. To simple say out-right the employer is responsible, is not something, void of facts, that I would say.

I'd say getting shot while in Kabul, Afghanistan working for the government would pretty much go on the fault of the government who sent them there, wouldn't you?
 

Happy

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And where were vets that were entitled to disability for every disability whether service connected or not on my list?


But military personnel do?
You don't like to be commanded. You didn't except God from that statement.

So you do consider your disability to equate to a double amputee?

Obviously you do not comprehend when one is speaking of the government or God.
Obviously you do not comprehend speak for yourself, and allow others the liberty to do the same.

Done with you and your nonsense.
 

Happy

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I'd say getting shot while in Kabul, Afghanistan working for the government would pretty much go on the fault of the government who sent them there, wouldn't you?

Uh no. I would say it was whomever pulled the trigger.
 

TCassidy

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Obviously you do not comprehend when one is speaking of the government or God.
Obviously you have a problem communicating exactly what you mean.

Obviously you do not comprehend speak for yourself, and allow others the liberty to do the same.
Obviously you post such vague statements that you don't make yourself entirely clear.

Maybe if you stopped trying to dodge the questions and just answer honestly you might make yourself better understood.
 

Happy

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Obviously you have a problem communicating exactly what you mean.

Obviously you post such vague statements that you don't make yourself entirely clear.

Maybe if you stopped trying to dodge the questions and just answer honestly you might make yourself better understood.

I have no problem communicating exactly what I mean.
However you have a problem with comprehending what I say, because you keep trying to speak for me, and then want me to explain what you say.

Below....Case in point, and WHY, we are done!

TCassidy
You don't like to be commanded. You didn't except God from that statement.

How would you know? I said NOTHING about "being commanded".
 
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