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The first Pope was a married Priest

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Walpole

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If you know Church history, you would know that celibacy was the practice of the majority of the Apostolic fathers, that is, those who immediately succeeded the Apostles. Married clergy in the early Church was a concession at first since the earliest Christians were converts, many of whom were Jewish males already married. However, those clergy who were married in the ancient Church were expected to practice clerical continence.
 

Walter

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Only the Latin Rite of The Holy Catholic Church has a discipline of celibacy. All other rites of The Catholic Church have married priest. So the perception that priests in The Catholic Church cannot marry is FALSE. This has been debated for years on the BB and always ends up with evangelicals being wrong.
 
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rockytopva

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I have read extensively on the Catholic Church and will sometimes attend service. Pope Callistus and Saint Hippolytus were two important figures with two different theologies....

Hippolytus- the ideal of the church as a pure community and not tolerating sins, a church of the pure.
Callistus - the ideal of the church as a saving community representing the church as Noah’s Ark, taking in ‘all kinds,’ both clean and unclean. Being quick to lovingly encourage repentance and restoration. And also dealing with explosive church growth in his time.

I believe Pope Callistus was correct! And all Christian churches suffer from the unclean things that enter the congregations The only reason the Catholic Church gets the greater publicity is because they are the larger congregation. As long as we try to entertain the idea of ‘church’ scandal and problems will follow as we are all unique creatures. If my opinion would mean anything I would encourage the Catholic Church to allow married deacons to also pastor churches. Celibacy is tough as Christ taught as something all men cannot handle.

During the Moody Sankey revivals into Catholic Ireland a Mr Magee wrote an article saying, "FAIR PLAY I" 271 - "Our Human Catholic brcthren, us a rule, have acted a noble part. They have been respectful, and to a certain extent, sympathizing. In this week's number of the Nation—an organ at once of National (as it is called) and Ultramontane principles—au article has appeared, entitled, 'Fair Play!' which is exceedingly creditable, and which indicates the advent of a new day in Ireland. The editor informs his constituents that the deadly danger of the age comes upon us from the direction of Huxley and Darwin and Tyndall, rather than from Moody and Sankey. Irish Catholics desire to see Protestants deeply imbued with religious feeling, rather than tinged with rationalism and infidelity; and as long as the religious services of our Protestant neighbors are honestly directed to quickening religious thought in their own body, without offering aggressive or intentional insult to us, it is our duty to pay the homage.

It was nice, of this time, that the Protestants and Catholics could endure one another and see the real enemies from different avenues. I believe calling each other neighbors a righteous call. And this thread was not intended to be aggressive or an intentional insult to my Catholic neighbors. And I also call Baptist neighbors, much more closer in faith.

I do look over my shoulder into the affairs of my Catholic neighbors and wish them well. I have enjoyed EWTN, the events of concave, think Pope Francis a good guy, will occasionally visit the church, take interest in affairs such as celibacy, read up on the news, and would attend more services if the communion were not closed.

As I believe the Catholic Church has issues... Well... So does mine! I do not promote one church over the other. And another thing, I believe all generations as unique. There is a big difference in generations from WW1, WW2, Vietnam, and the generations to follow. The Spirit of my denomination, Pentecostal Holiness, disappeared along with passing of the WW2 generation and I doubt I will ever see again.

I believe, though, in this time, we must look over each other’s shoulders. I would be careful of in trusting any celibate man alone with people. I have no intentions of hurting anyone. But, if I were to re-enter youth ministry, I would have to do it in responsible company, so I would not be accused of hurting anyone. When I was in youth ministry I would have kids over to the house on weekends to grill out, watch TV, play games, have campfire devotions. We had a large fellowship that did well. The youth director and her husband moved on. Without the responsible help I had to give this up as well.
 

Salty

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If you’re not gonna read my posts I’m not going to talk to you. I’ve made my position clear.

Actually - I did re-read your post - and it was not clear to me.

In the RCC - the Pope, Bishops, ect have control over tier priests.

But with Baptist churches - since each local assembly - there is no oversight - especially in non-affiliated IFB.
Now in other groups - SBC, ABC, GARBC, ect -The "denomination" has no control over the local church
Leaders withing the "denomination" may talk to the pastor and/or the church - but it is up to that local church
to decide what action needs taken or not taken. The only action that the "denomination" can take is to withdraw
the offending church from that fellowship.
 

Bro. Curtis

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The systematic abuse of children by the Roman Catholic Church and the subsequent coverups cannot be compared to isolated cases that were most likely prosecuted by local courts. I make this quite clear in post number six. Because I know you’re a square guy I’m going to assume you just missed that post and aren’t saying I denied there was ever a child molester in the Baptist ranks. I never said anything like that.
 
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Bro. Curtis

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I’d also like to address one argument that was made about so-called proof the priests were meant to be celibate. The idea that Christ was celibate so priests should be celibate it’s pretty close to blasphemous. There could be no equal intellectually and spiritually or even physically to Christ and there is no way anybody who knows anything about him could ever imagine him submitting himself to a wife. Argument is preposterous
 

JoeT

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I’d also like to address one argument that was made about so-called proof the priests were meant to be celibate. The idea that Christ was celibate so priests should be celibate it’s pretty close to blasphemous. There could be no equal intellectually and spiritually or even physically to Christ and there is no way anybody who knows anything about him could ever imagine him submitting himself to a wife. Argument is preposterous

I thought St. Paul said we were to be imitators of Christ? [Cf. Ephesians 5:1].
 

utilyan

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There’s no doubt in my mind the errant practice of celibate priests contributed greatly to the systematic sexual deviancy that’s ruined so many lives.

Show some scientific evidence for this. All you are telling us is if YOU, YOURSELF are not married that will cause YOU to RAPE another person.

I think you should.seek mental health.
 

Bro. Curtis

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Show some scientific evidence for this. All you are telling us is if YOU, YOURSELF are not married that will cause YOU to RAPE another person.

I think you should.seek mental health.
Well I got nine years of experience working with adolescent sex offenders in a secure setting.
 

Bro. Curtis

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I believe sexual abuse between siblings is much more prevalent than parent/offspring. Perhaps we can look at that sometime.

And the fact that it was covered up in the defending priest move to different diocese, where a good % of them reoffendes tells me all I need to know.
 

Shoostie

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1) I believe child abuse in the SBC is lower than in the general population, and much lower than in the Catholic church (which has been plagued by homosexual priests molesting children).

2) As mentioned, SBC churches are independent. It's not the SBC's business how various Baptist churches handle child abuse and care.

3) It is, and should be treated as such, that child molestation is a severe crime. Any public school teacher, church leader, and anyone who credibility is guilty of it should be jailed and always kept away from children. And, if I had my way, repeat offenders would be mutilated.
 

JoeT

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1) I believe child abuse in the SBC is lower than in the general population, and much lower than in the Catholic church (which has been plagued by homosexual priests molesting children).

2) As mentioned, SBC churches are independent. It's not the SBC's business how various Baptist churches handle child abuse and care.

3) It is, and should be treated as such, that child molestation is a severe crime. Any public school teacher, church leader, and anyone who credibility is guilty of it should be jailed and always kept away from children. And, if I had my way, repeat offenders would be mutilated.

Other than your belief in statistics, I agree whole heartedly. According to Baptist sources and other studies it would seem to me that sexual abuse is just as prominent in every group. The problem isn't the various faith based organization, the problem is societal - which makes us, as a community, all guilty.

JoeT
 

JoeT

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Well then there be no married people then would there be?

Certainly, there would be plenty of married people. Many are called to be married, some to be teachers, doctors, nurses etc., some to be Bishops, priests, and deacons.

JoeT
 
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